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	<title>Comments on: Zombie Scenario: What Would You Do During a Zombie Attack in Traffic?</title>
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		<title>By: Dr Who</title>
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		<author>Dr Who</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 16:20:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Really, I think that the zombies, once having found food, will circle and try to get it.  Slowly going insane, running out of food and water, and caught ontop a semi rig isn't my idea of a way to go.  Find yourself a motorcycle.  They have several advantages, you can ride between cars to get off the freeway, then once on surface roads, there are sidewalks, parking lots, ditches, and all sorts of places that you can go that a car can't.  I know I've had enough tickets for it when I still had a motorcycle.  Plus they have the added advantage of using less fuel.  Once out of the major traffic and into areas that aren't gridlocked you can get into a vehicle that does offer some protection.  That's the trade off, nothing to keep the zeds off you if you get caught off guard.  Speed and mobility are the only advantages you will have.  But with skill and a little luck (we'll ALL have to have some of that) your bike will get you to safety.

“Zed’s dead baby, Zed’s dead.” - Butch</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really, I think that the zombies, once having found food, will circle and try to get it.  Slowly going insane, running out of food and water, and caught ontop a semi rig isn&#8217;t my idea of a way to go.  Find yourself a motorcycle.  They have several advantages, you can ride between cars to get off the freeway, then once on surface roads, there are sidewalks, parking lots, ditches, and all sorts of places that you can go that a car can&#8217;t.  I know I&#8217;ve had enough tickets for it when I still had a motorcycle.  Plus they have the added advantage of using less fuel.  Once out of the major traffic and into areas that aren&#8217;t gridlocked you can get into a vehicle that does offer some protection.  That&#8217;s the trade off, nothing to keep the zeds off you if you get caught off guard.  Speed and mobility are the only advantages you will have.  But with skill and a little luck (we&#8217;ll ALL have to have some of that) your bike will get you to safety.</p>
<p>“Zed’s dead baby, Zed’s dead.” - Butch</p>
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		<title>By: --</title>
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		<author>--</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 02:26:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Best chance: hope zombies get traffic to move. Otherwise, pray that the zombies are coming in only one direction and run.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Best chance: hope zombies get traffic to move. Otherwise, pray that the zombies are coming in only one direction and run.</p>
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		<title>By: jacob</title>
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		<author>jacob</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jul 2008 13:29:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you are pretty much screwed unless u have the balls to get a solid object and start swinging or try the killing zombie and rubbing sent on you is pretty much your only wya</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you are pretty much screwed unless u have the balls to get a solid object and start swinging or try the killing zombie and rubbing sent on you is pretty much your only wya</p>
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		<title>By: zachophobe</title>
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		<author>zachophobe</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 21:27:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you just gave me the chills after imagining staying curled up  in a dark small area listening carefully for any sign of the living dead. man I'm gonna have nightmares</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you just gave me the chills after imagining staying curled up  in a dark small area listening carefully for any sign of the living dead. man I&#8217;m gonna have nightmares</p>
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		<title>By: Maingun</title>
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		<author>Maingun</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 20:01:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well this is unfortunate!-
I would have to say this leaves you with two semi- survivable options:
                                   Option #1-    
 * - If you are in bumper to bumper gridlock traffic take a quick look around and you will probably see a tractor trailer of some kind in the immediate vicinity. this should be your destination ( no offense but the idea of being on top of your car mere inches away from a flesh eating zombie horde is probably not going to..um work!). Grab what you can (thats light enough to take with you) to survive, i.e-
 *- A weapon ( hopefully a firearm!) or anything you can find that can be used with some authority ,tire iron,car jack, ice scraper etc.
 *- Any useful supplies, food, water, flashlight (can be used to signal for help even if batteries run out as the lens will reflect light).
 *- Cell phone (to communicate your position/situation), and car    
     keys (yes- car keys) if your able to "weather the storm" you
     will need them to drive out of there. Also be sure to lock your
     car when you depart for your tractor trailer oasis to prevent
     unwanted entry to your vehicle.
    Once this is done its time to make/fight your way to the truck    
    (again-this possible scenario assumes your car is not totally-
    surounded...yet!)- if your presence has not yet been detected it
    will be best to stay low and weave your way throw the vehicles
    to your destination to avoid detection.
    If you have been detected your only remaining option will be to
    leap/run from the top of the vehicles until you can get close  
    enough to the rig to make a jump for it. the key to survival in 
    this situation will not be speed but to maintain your balance.
    you can use your own imagination what will happen to you if you
    are trying to move too fast and end up falling off!
    Approach the rig from the cab end as this is the only feasible
    way to gain access to the top of the trailer which should be your   
    ultimate goal. Most road trailers have only a small difference in
    height from the top of the cab to the trailer, if you have the 
    misfortune of picking one with a higher than usual trailer  
    you should be able to use the trucks utility connections for  
    electrical and air/refrigiration at the back of the cab/front of the 
    trailer to climb on. Once on top you are pretty much safe from
    the horror on the ground level. Try to stay to the center of the  
    trailer down low and hopefully they will eventually move on to 
    better feeding ground when they can no longer see you for an
    extended period of time, if they do not you can feel fairly safe
    in your new position as it is all but impssible for them to reach 
    you and should be easily defendable even with simple improvised
    weapons. All that remains now is to try alert someon of your  
    situation/location to be rescued. 
    Keep trying your cell phone to do this, in the event your cell
    phone battery has died or you cant get a signal- nearly all rigs  
    private or commercial are equipped with citizen band (cb)-
    radios hopefully the driver was kind enough to leave the keys
    but even if he/she did not most of these units are wired direct
    and do not need the ignition on to operate. Simply select 
    channel #9 and call for help. they will most likely ask your
    position so take note of the nearest highway signs to assist them
    in locating you.
                              Nice job!
                               
                            Option #2.
   *- Hopefully this is not the situation you find yourself in as it is 
     probably the least survivable of the two mentioned.
   *- In this scenario your car is completely surrounded and 
        leaving your car is not feasible.
       More than likely you are driving a car that has access to the
       trunk from the back seat, be sure to lock all doors and roll up 
       all windows if you have not done so already, grab your cell   
       phone and anything you might be able to use for a weapon or to
       survive (do not forget items you might not normally consider-
       in a survival situation ie- fast food bags, that 1/4 bottle of 
       water you threw in the back seat last week etc.)
       In this situation "out of sight out of mind" is your only defense!
       For the first hour or so after seeking refuge in the trunk and 
       "re-closing" the access seat- remain motionless and quiet.
       Although tempting refuse the urge to call for help on your cell  
       phone as this will alert the brain eaters of your presence.
       Your best hope will be that after losing sight of you for a while
       they will move on to a new feeding area.
       When and only when the frenzy moves on should you attempt  
       to call for help on your cell phone. 
                Stay alert, stay quiet...
                              Good luck- you will need it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well this is unfortunate!-<br />
I would have to say this leaves you with two semi- survivable options:<br />
                                   Option #1-<br />
 * - If you are in bumper to bumper gridlock traffic take a quick look around and you will probably see a tractor trailer of some kind in the immediate vicinity. this should be your destination ( no offense but the idea of being on top of your car mere inches away from a flesh eating zombie horde is probably not going to..um work!). Grab what you can (thats light enough to take with you) to survive, i.e-<br />
 *- A weapon ( hopefully a firearm!) or anything you can find that can be used with some authority ,tire iron,car jack, ice scraper etc.<br />
 *- Any useful supplies, food, water, flashlight (can be used to signal for help even if batteries run out as the lens will reflect light).<br />
 *- Cell phone (to communicate your position/situation), and car<br />
     keys (yes- car keys) if your able to &#8220;weather the storm&#8221; you<br />
     will need them to drive out of there. Also be sure to lock your<br />
     car when you depart for your tractor trailer oasis to prevent<br />
     unwanted entry to your vehicle.<br />
    Once this is done its time to make/fight your way to the truck<br />
    (again-this possible scenario assumes your car is not totally-<br />
    surounded&#8230;yet!)- if your presence has not yet been detected it<br />
    will be best to stay low and weave your way throw the vehicles<br />
    to your destination to avoid detection.<br />
    If you have been detected your only remaining option will be to<br />
    leap/run from the top of the vehicles until you can get close<br />
    enough to the rig to make a jump for it. the key to survival in<br />
    this situation will not be speed but to maintain your balance.<br />
    you can use your own imagination what will happen to you if you<br />
    are trying to move too fast and end up falling off!<br />
    Approach the rig from the cab end as this is the only feasible<br />
    way to gain access to the top of the trailer which should be your<br />
    ultimate goal. Most road trailers have only a small difference in<br />
    height from the top of the cab to the trailer, if you have the<br />
    misfortune of picking one with a higher than usual trailer<br />
    you should be able to use the trucks utility connections for<br />
    electrical and air/refrigiration at the back of the cab/front of the<br />
    trailer to climb on. Once on top you are pretty much safe from<br />
    the horror on the ground level. Try to stay to the center of the<br />
    trailer down low and hopefully they will eventually move on to<br />
    better feeding ground when they can no longer see you for an<br />
    extended period of time, if they do not you can feel fairly safe<br />
    in your new position as it is all but impssible for them to reach<br />
    you and should be easily defendable even with simple improvised<br />
    weapons. All that remains now is to try alert someon of your<br />
    situation/location to be rescued.<br />
    Keep trying your cell phone to do this, in the event your cell<br />
    phone battery has died or you cant get a signal- nearly all rigs<br />
    private or commercial are equipped with citizen band (cb)-<br />
    radios hopefully the driver was kind enough to leave the keys<br />
    but even if he/she did not most of these units are wired direct<br />
    and do not need the ignition on to operate. Simply select<br />
    channel #9 and call for help. they will most likely ask your<br />
    position so take note of the nearest highway signs to assist them<br />
    in locating you.<br />
                              Nice job!</p>
<p>                            Option #2.<br />
   *- Hopefully this is not the situation you find yourself in as it is<br />
     probably the least survivable of the two mentioned.<br />
   *- In this scenario your car is completely surrounded and<br />
        leaving your car is not feasible.<br />
       More than likely you are driving a car that has access to the<br />
       trunk from the back seat, be sure to lock all doors and roll up<br />
       all windows if you have not done so already, grab your cell<br />
       phone and anything you might be able to use for a weapon or to<br />
       survive (do not forget items you might not normally consider-<br />
       in a survival situation ie- fast food bags, that 1/4 bottle of<br />
       water you threw in the back seat last week etc.)<br />
       In this situation &#8220;out of sight out of mind&#8221; is your only defense!<br />
       For the first hour or so after seeking refuge in the trunk and<br />
       &#8220;re-closing&#8221; the access seat- remain motionless and quiet.<br />
       Although tempting refuse the urge to call for help on your cell<br />
       phone as this will alert the brain eaters of your presence.<br />
       Your best hope will be that after losing sight of you for a while<br />
       they will move on to a new feeding area.<br />
       When and only when the frenzy moves on should you attempt<br />
       to call for help on your cell phone.<br />
                Stay alert, stay quiet&#8230;<br />
                              Good luck- you will need it!</p>
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		<title>By: That Guy</title>
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		<author>That Guy</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 00:57:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what kind of zombies are we talking about? Like "28 days" later zombies? Or stupid "Dead Rising" zombies? First Question.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what kind of zombies are we talking about? Like &#8220;28 days&#8221; later zombies? Or stupid &#8220;Dead Rising&#8221; zombies? First Question.</p>
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		<title>By: Cathrag</title>
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		<author>Cathrag</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 18:52:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Back on topic, the "climb across the roofs of cars" would be a double-edged sword.

On the plus side, it'd really be the only quick way to move. If you're on a motorway and it's packed, chances are you're going to have to move for quite some distance before you can get anywhere you might stand a chance, such as a town or a motorway service station (Which might actually make a good place to hole up for a short time). So, you'd have to hop along the top of the traffic. It'd also give you a good position to fight from - while the zombies are reaching up to try and grab your legs, you can either kick them away or smash them with your chosen weapon. If you have a gun, even better, you have an ideal shooting platform.

On the other hand, it's dangerous for you. Cars aren't that high off the ground - most of the zombies will still be able to reach for you. If you're not quick enough or you get caught off-guard and surrounded, you're going to be pulled down and you're done for. If you're moving at speed it's easy to slip and fall - not all cars are flat and easy to run across. For another thing, on the roof of a car you're easily visible. If a zombie sees you from a long way away, and there aren't other targets available for it, it's going to come towards you and not stop until it's reached you. If there are a lot around, running across cars wouldn't be too wise.

In my opinion, once you have your supplies together and you're ready to run, you should move along the motorway until you find a truck - something with a wide wheelbase and a lot of weight, like your average cargo truck, so that it can't be easily tipped - and use the nearby cars to help you climb onto the roof of the trailer. If you've gone undetected, you can probably lie down on the roof and any zombies in the area won't spot you because of the height of the truck and you being flattened down. And if you do have to fight, the zombies will be too busy trying to tip your truck to stop you from shooting them or smashing them with your blunt object.

When you finally need to escape, something to look out for would be any junctions leading off the motorway. These should probably be empty, since some people will have escaped via them and everyone else would have stayed on the motorway and tried to flee on foot. As a result, you look for any car which is pointing towards the exit, hope the keys are still in the ignition, check that there are no zombies inside, hop in, and escape off the motorway.

Hopefully you might survive that way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Back on topic, the &#8220;climb across the roofs of cars&#8221; would be a double-edged sword.</p>
<p>On the plus side, it&#8217;d really be the only quick way to move. If you&#8217;re on a motorway and it&#8217;s packed, chances are you&#8217;re going to have to move for quite some distance before you can get anywhere you might stand a chance, such as a town or a motorway service station (Which might actually make a good place to hole up for a short time). So, you&#8217;d have to hop along the top of the traffic. It&#8217;d also give you a good position to fight from - while the zombies are reaching up to try and grab your legs, you can either kick them away or smash them with your chosen weapon. If you have a gun, even better, you have an ideal shooting platform.</p>
<p>On the other hand, it&#8217;s dangerous for you. Cars aren&#8217;t that high off the ground - most of the zombies will still be able to reach for you. If you&#8217;re not quick enough or you get caught off-guard and surrounded, you&#8217;re going to be pulled down and you&#8217;re done for. If you&#8217;re moving at speed it&#8217;s easy to slip and fall - not all cars are flat and easy to run across. For another thing, on the roof of a car you&#8217;re easily visible. If a zombie sees you from a long way away, and there aren&#8217;t other targets available for it, it&#8217;s going to come towards you and not stop until it&#8217;s reached you. If there are a lot around, running across cars wouldn&#8217;t be too wise.</p>
<p>In my opinion, once you have your supplies together and you&#8217;re ready to run, you should move along the motorway until you find a truck - something with a wide wheelbase and a lot of weight, like your average cargo truck, so that it can&#8217;t be easily tipped - and use the nearby cars to help you climb onto the roof of the trailer. If you&#8217;ve gone undetected, you can probably lie down on the roof and any zombies in the area won&#8217;t spot you because of the height of the truck and you being flattened down. And if you do have to fight, the zombies will be too busy trying to tip your truck to stop you from shooting them or smashing them with your blunt object.</p>
<p>When you finally need to escape, something to look out for would be any junctions leading off the motorway. These should probably be empty, since some people will have escaped via them and everyone else would have stayed on the motorway and tried to flee on foot. As a result, you look for any car which is pointing towards the exit, hope the keys are still in the ignition, check that there are no zombies inside, hop in, and escape off the motorway.</p>
<p>Hopefully you might survive that way.</p>
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		<title>By: Ivory Legend</title>
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		<author>Ivory Legend</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 17:26:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>---oh, while Im thinking about it, the whole point of this argument was that a zombie infection would IN FACT be a natural selection-------</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8212;oh, while Im thinking about it, the whole point of this argument was that a zombie infection would IN FACT be a natural selection&#8212;&#8212;-</p>
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		<title>By: Ivory Legend</title>
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		<author>Ivory Legend</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 17:24:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think i cried a bit there...*puts tissue box down* eric....that was beautiful. "Oh kleenex, how you comfort in a trying time..." You have a point about people that matter and now you mention doctors, farmers, and whatnot I agree that they are valuable. And if you live in a prosperous socialist Western country...where can I sign up? Once again though, I do believe that we are screwed I still maintain that there is a seat here in my apocalypse bunker with the name "eric" written on it taped to a lawn chair. I suppose the only way to really see who is right is to wait a few years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think i cried a bit there&#8230;*puts tissue box down* eric&#8230;.that was beautiful. &#8220;Oh kleenex, how you comfort in a trying time&#8230;&#8221; You have a point about people that matter and now you mention doctors, farmers, and whatnot I agree that they are valuable. And if you live in a prosperous socialist Western country&#8230;where can I sign up? Once again though, I do believe that we are screwed I still maintain that there is a seat here in my apocalypse bunker with the name &#8220;eric&#8221; written on it taped to a lawn chair. I suppose the only way to really see who is right is to wait a few years.</p>
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		<title>By: eric</title>
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		<author>eric</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 04:07:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kittens can go die in a fire and I have no desire to replace mine or save it. If I don't know you as a friend then you can go to hell and charity for the most part is a waste of time and disrupts natural selection.  Also, you throw your change in a fountain and make a wish? really? because I save my change for something with a realistic chance of doing fucking anything for me.
I say we use a series of controlled burns to keep the twigs in check while not demolishing an entire ecosystem then we let nature do the whole controlled burns for us like it has for the entirety of history, but I guess I'm something of a pragmatist that way.   This has nothing to do with ethics. This has to do with common sense. Who would be better off after a zombie apocalypse? Nobody? that's right. Nobody.  Unless you know how to process crude oil into a usable form you better damn well hope a couple OPEC countries don't get wiped out.  Do you know how to treat an inflamed appendix? No? Then you better hope some of your local doctors don't get bitten. Know how to build or fix a car?  Know how to hunt and gather your own food? Know how to farm? Know how to not be among the fist to contract the zombie virus? no? Then you better think twice buddy. In case of an energy crisis I can be sure I can help my friends. A zombie case I might have to kill them.  When has genocide ever ended well? I'm not championing humanity, we are a virus. But we're the best one out there. We are the HIV of the macroscopic organisms.  We'll kill every other living thing on this planet and deplete half of the non living ones before we give up the ghost.  America may be going into a tailspin of death of destruction but I don't live in America, I live in one of the many prosperous socialist countries in Western world where we learn to cooperate for the greater good.  And the rest of the western world is a lot more forward thinking than you guys are. Hell Brazil is almost completely oil free, has been for years. If they can pull it off I'm pretty sure we can.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kittens can go die in a fire and I have no desire to replace mine or save it. If I don&#8217;t know you as a friend then you can go to hell and charity for the most part is a waste of time and disrupts natural selection.  Also, you throw your change in a fountain and make a wish? really? because I save my change for something with a realistic chance of doing fucking anything for me.<br />
I say we use a series of controlled burns to keep the twigs in check while not demolishing an entire ecosystem then we let nature do the whole controlled burns for us like it has for the entirety of history, but I guess I&#8217;m something of a pragmatist that way.   This has nothing to do with ethics. This has to do with common sense. Who would be better off after a zombie apocalypse? Nobody? that&#8217;s right. Nobody.  Unless you know how to process crude oil into a usable form you better damn well hope a couple OPEC countries don&#8217;t get wiped out.  Do you know how to treat an inflamed appendix? No? Then you better hope some of your local doctors don&#8217;t get bitten. Know how to build or fix a car?  Know how to hunt and gather your own food? Know how to farm? Know how to not be among the fist to contract the zombie virus? no? Then you better think twice buddy. In case of an energy crisis I can be sure I can help my friends. A zombie case I might have to kill them.  When has genocide ever ended well? I&#8217;m not championing humanity, we are a virus. But we&#8217;re the best one out there. We are the HIV of the macroscopic organisms.  We&#8217;ll kill every other living thing on this planet and deplete half of the non living ones before we give up the ghost.  America may be going into a tailspin of death of destruction but I don&#8217;t live in America, I live in one of the many prosperous socialist countries in Western world where we learn to cooperate for the greater good.  And the rest of the western world is a lot more forward thinking than you guys are. Hell Brazil is almost completely oil free, has been for years. If they can pull it off I&#8217;m pretty sure we can.</p>
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