Comments on: Using Sense of Smell Against the Undead to Save the Living http://www.zombiesarecoming.com/2008/06/27/using-sense-of-smell-against-the-undead-to-save-the-living/ Look Dead Mon, 06 Feb 2012 18:00:56 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Zombie killer http://www.zombiesarecoming.com/2008/06/27/using-sense-of-smell-against-the-undead-to-save-the-living/comment-page-1/#comment-357760 Zombie killer Mon, 24 Oct 2011 22:32:03 +0000 http://www.zombiesarecoming.com/2008/06/27/using-sense-of-smell-against-the-undead-to-save-the-living/#comment-357760 anyone still alive? just wondering.im new to this site read alot of good ideas. ok if there was a hurd of zombies walking by could u use a ghillie suit to hide from the zombies as there walking by? could it conceal ur scent? i live in the country or would they come out this far i live by a mountain and there is like maybe 15 people that live in a 10 mile radious. how lond would i be safe? i have alota guns;)..? anyone still alive? just wondering.im new to this site read alot of good ideas. ok if there was a hurd of zombies walking by could u use a ghillie suit to hide from the zombies as there walking by? could it conceal ur scent? i live in the country or would they come out this far i live by a mountain and there is like maybe 15 people that live in a 10 mile radious. how lond would i be safe? i have alota guns;)..?

]]> By: Nek http://www.zombiesarecoming.com/2008/06/27/using-sense-of-smell-against-the-undead-to-save-the-living/comment-page-1/#comment-346146 Nek Wed, 13 Jul 2011 22:00:23 +0000 http://www.zombiesarecoming.com/2008/06/27/using-sense-of-smell-against-the-undead-to-save-the-living/#comment-346146 I have considered, that if trapped in a large semi secure structure such as a shopping mall (terrible choice I know), there are several tricks I would attempt to test as safely as possible. Most people here seem to be more concerned with convincing the zombie they are one of them which I think might be misguided and additionally risky. Before I go into my idea on this matter I would like to isolate what we know of zombies: First the detection of noise alone merely identifies the presence of possible prey. The fine processing of thought required to distinguish the acoustic differences between a silent walking living person and a ghoul are outside their capacity. The moan of another ghoul will, of course, attract them as any noise has the probability of doing so. But after that point the recognition would have to come from some other source. It is likely that the degeneration of the higher functions of the brain are the first atrophied by the assault of solanum leaving behind increasingly primitive aspects with the olfactory obviously being one of the last. Because even blinded ghouls are able to differentiate between human and ghoul than, barring some unknown form of communication or the absurd possibility of some heretofore unproven sense, the above olfactory sense is the final method for distinguishing meal from not-meal. At this point we arrive at what may be a fairly interesting weapon to use against them. Ionone. Basically a chemical compound that short circuits the sense of smell. At the very least it would determine whether it is the living human that produces a scent that the ghoul craves as food or if solanum infection causes an odor that precludes being attacked by other ghouls. I have considered, that if trapped in a large semi secure structure such as a shopping mall (terrible choice I know), there are several tricks I would attempt to test as safely as possible.

Most people here seem to be more concerned with convincing the zombie they are one of them which I think might be misguided and additionally risky.

Before I go into my idea on this matter I would like to isolate what we know of zombies:

First the detection of noise alone merely identifies the presence of possible prey. The fine processing of thought required to distinguish the acoustic differences between a silent walking living person and a ghoul are outside their capacity. The moan of another ghoul will, of course, attract them as any noise has the probability of doing so. But after that point the recognition would have to come from some other source.

It is likely that the degeneration of the higher functions of the brain are the first atrophied by the assault of solanum leaving behind increasingly primitive aspects with the olfactory obviously being one of the last. Because even blinded ghouls are able to differentiate between human and ghoul than, barring some unknown form of communication or the absurd possibility of some heretofore unproven sense, the above olfactory sense is the final method for distinguishing meal from not-meal.

At this point we arrive at what may be a fairly interesting weapon to use against them. Ionone. Basically a chemical compound that short circuits the sense of smell. At the very least it would determine whether it is the living human that produces a scent that the ghoul craves as food or if solanum infection causes an odor that precludes being attacked by other ghouls.

]]> By: beel http://www.zombiesarecoming.com/2008/06/27/using-sense-of-smell-against-the-undead-to-save-the-living/comment-page-1/#comment-271060 beel Sun, 13 Dec 2009 07:47:18 +0000 http://www.zombiesarecoming.com/2008/06/27/using-sense-of-smell-against-the-undead-to-save-the-living/#comment-271060 may be heavy but zombies cant bite through chain mail... may be heavy but zombies cant bite through chain mail…

]]> By: Sharpshooter http://www.zombiesarecoming.com/2008/06/27/using-sense-of-smell-against-the-undead-to-save-the-living/comment-page-1/#comment-122112 Sharpshooter Wed, 07 Jan 2009 00:00:34 +0000 http://www.zombiesarecoming.com/2008/06/27/using-sense-of-smell-against-the-undead-to-save-the-living/#comment-122112 stick with running, killing, and hiding first.... then after youve got a reasonable location that you could do experiments on then i would think to give it a try but only if the volunteer was surrounded by people with weapons ready to kill on a moments notice should the subject turn stick with running, killing, and hiding first…. then after youve got a reasonable location that you could do experiments on then i would think to give it a try but only if the volunteer was surrounded by people with weapons ready to kill on a moments notice should the subject turn

]]> By: jordan http://www.zombiesarecoming.com/2008/06/27/using-sense-of-smell-against-the-undead-to-save-the-living/comment-page-1/#comment-112497 jordan Thu, 04 Dec 2008 01:43:55 +0000 http://www.zombiesarecoming.com/2008/06/27/using-sense-of-smell-against-the-undead-to-save-the-living/#comment-112497 Well i got the living dead comics, awsome read, and going by what they said about the zombies the goo wouldnt hurt you. Only their bight was lethal, and weather or not thats what killed you if you died from somthing other than a brain wound you came back as a zombie. i do not, however feel that smell, sight, or hearing are that advanced in a zombie. like some have already mention eyes of the dead are no that capable likwise for the ears and nose. If the body is dead the nose and ears are filled with coagulated blood and other vile secreations. Its as if they were filled with concrete. vital chemicals and fluids processed by are bodys for the nose are no longer being regulated by homeostasis and left to rot. the cavities of the inner ear colapsed of more likelydried out and cracked like driy-rotted rubber. To say that they are still functioning at any level is to say the body is not completely dead. This goes against the definiton of zombie. Perhaps though i am wrong, shit these are all guesses anyways, lets say the senses continue to function at any capacity. our olfactory capability is still no where near that of a dogs or most other animals for that matter, neither is our sight or sense of hearing. could it be that we humans just make ourselfes easy targets by being loud fidgety and generlly different smelling than everything else? right now as i type this i can hear the naeighbor close, probably slam, his car door. Its a more rural area so the cars about 300 yards away and im in my room wich is about as far from there house as you can get, inside the house. What about at night, we use lights for everything we all know these are easy to see from any distance, the stars above tell us that and im not getting mooshy on you neither. and as for the smell, well i think thats all bullshit, we just cant pick up the parts per million that an animal can needed to track a human being. and a few suggestions for future topics: -best booby traps/lures for zombies -could a zombie generate enough heat to be seen with infared? -how long would it take for fire to cook a zombies brain? -can you kill a zombie with a zombie? (my method involves a lazer pointer) -best armor for a vehicle, smooth or reinforced? Well i got the living dead comics, awsome read, and going by what they said about the zombies the goo wouldnt hurt you. Only their bight was lethal, and weather or not thats what killed you if you died from somthing other than a brain wound you came back as a zombie.

i do not, however feel that smell, sight, or hearing are that advanced in a zombie. like some have already mention eyes of the dead are no that capable likwise for the ears and nose. If the body is dead the nose and ears are filled with coagulated blood and other vile secreations. Its as if they were filled with concrete. vital chemicals and fluids processed by are bodys for the nose are no longer being regulated by homeostasis and left to rot. the cavities of the inner ear colapsed of more likelydried out and cracked like driy-rotted rubber.

To say that they are still functioning at any level is to say the body is not completely dead. This goes against the definiton of zombie.

Perhaps though i am wrong, shit these are all guesses anyways, lets say the senses continue to function at any capacity. our olfactory capability is still no where near that of a dogs or most other animals for that matter, neither is our sight or sense of hearing. could it be that we humans just make ourselfes easy targets by being loud fidgety and generlly different smelling than everything else?

right now as i type this i can hear the naeighbor close, probably slam, his car door. Its a more rural area so the cars about 300 yards away and im in my room wich is about as far from there house as you can get, inside the house. What about at night, we use lights for everything we all know these are easy to see from any distance, the stars above tell us that and im not getting mooshy on you neither. and as for the smell, well i think thats all bullshit, we just cant pick up the parts per million that an animal can needed to track a human being.

and a few suggestions for future topics:

-best booby traps/lures for zombies

-could a zombie generate enough heat to be seen with infared?

-how long would it take for fire to cook a zombies brain?

-can you kill a zombie with a zombie? (my method involves a lazer pointer)

-best armor for a vehicle, smooth or reinforced?

]]> By: Bearfoot http://www.zombiesarecoming.com/2008/06/27/using-sense-of-smell-against-the-undead-to-save-the-living/comment-page-1/#comment-111344 Bearfoot Mon, 24 Nov 2008 15:29:08 +0000 http://www.zombiesarecoming.com/2008/06/27/using-sense-of-smell-against-the-undead-to-save-the-living/#comment-111344 Actually, they sell stuff that smells like dead bodies to train corpse sniffing dogs. However it's a carefully restricted substance and probably going to be very hard to find even BEFORE the end of civilization. Actually, they sell stuff that smells like dead bodies to train corpse sniffing dogs.

However it’s a carefully restricted substance and probably going to be very hard to find even BEFORE the end of civilization.

]]> By: Dreamornaut http://www.zombiesarecoming.com/2008/06/27/using-sense-of-smell-against-the-undead-to-save-the-living/comment-page-1/#comment-103267 Dreamornaut Mon, 20 Oct 2008 13:19:14 +0000 http://www.zombiesarecoming.com/2008/06/27/using-sense-of-smell-against-the-undead-to-save-the-living/#comment-103267 I definitely agree on the zed losing pattern recognition and that camouflage would not be effective. A walking virus receptacle that doesn't show any problem solving capability simply wouldn't need to expend the brain power on it. Essentially it's the same scenario of a blind person exhibiting hirer sensitivity to other senses. Nothing actually happens to make the ears, nose or touch function better, but the brain know has more processing power free to devote to other senses. I definitely agree on the zed losing pattern recognition and that camouflage would not be effective. A walking virus receptacle that doesn’t show any problem solving capability simply wouldn’t need to expend the brain power on it. Essentially it’s the same scenario of a blind person exhibiting hirer sensitivity to other senses. Nothing actually happens to make the ears, nose or touch function better, but the brain know has more processing power free to devote to other senses.

]]> By: Dr Who http://www.zombiesarecoming.com/2008/06/27/using-sense-of-smell-against-the-undead-to-save-the-living/comment-page-1/#comment-103186 Dr Who Sun, 19 Oct 2008 23:54:17 +0000 http://www.zombiesarecoming.com/2008/06/27/using-sense-of-smell-against-the-undead-to-save-the-living/#comment-103186 It all comes down to how zombies track their prey. Sight, smell, sound, or some other method. We'll pass on discussing other methods as these are obviously paranormal and beyond logical discussion. Sight falls under two different catagories motion based (how most animals see) and pattern recognition (how humans and higher brain functioning animals see), smell and sound are self explanatory. I believe it has to be a combination of these three senses that form the zombie hunting skill set. Working on the premise that biological function has changed from living human to virus controlled and the host body has not been altered or degraded by decomposition the zombie senses will not be increased. This being said the zombie will show signs of sense increase because brain function degrading to animal level causes the host organism to pay more attention to input from the senses and not self generated input. My beliefs are that sight will change from pattern based recognition to motion based. This means camoflage will have no use and hunting blinds and slow movement will be best. This change will free up brain function for other processes and will be a necesity as the brain will now be at a premium. Sound is completely self explanatory and would only show a minor increase in observable use. Smell is where we can see an actual marked increase in observable use. For whatever reason we humans pay little attention to our sense of smell, using as little as 30% of our capability. So you can imagine the boost that smell would get. This still would not bring a zed to the level of a dog , but would not confer a tracking ability, though following a scent upwind could happen. This being said, coating onesself in zombie goo would not be a workable action. You would have to have direct goo-skin contact for the two smells (zombie and human) to combine. Otherwise you would have two different scent that the dead tell the difference between, obviously the case elsewise a zombie couldn't smell you over the stronger smell of his bottom lip. So now it's down to coating your SKIN with this or it not working. I'll let the reader decide whether the POSSIBILITY of being ignored is worth the risk of infection, either from the zombie virus or any of the other diseases a walking corpse will be carrying. All this being said there are many ways of masking your own scent through washing and wearing cologne to chem suits to offensive area weapons such as strong chemicals and gallon bottles of perfumes. The only thing is the learning curve for these is too high to blindly experiment with. While the walking dead comic series is really good I wouldn't try what the character in question did (coated in zed gunk and halving two of them as pets) anymore than play a video game with a zombie (ala Shaun of the Dead). In an outbreak someone else can be the test subject for this tactic I won't be it. Chemicals and Perfume bombs could be tested at a distance with relative safety as long as a good and quick escape method was available. It all comes down to how zombies track their prey. Sight, smell, sound, or some other method. We’ll pass on discussing other methods as these are obviously paranormal and beyond logical discussion. Sight falls under two different catagories motion based (how most animals see) and pattern recognition (how humans and higher brain functioning animals see), smell and sound are self explanatory. I believe it has to be a combination of these three senses that form the zombie hunting skill set. Working on the premise that biological function has changed from living human to virus controlled and the host body has not been altered or degraded by decomposition the zombie senses will not be increased. This being said the zombie will show signs of sense increase because brain function degrading to animal level causes the host organism to pay more attention to input from the senses and not self generated input. My beliefs are that sight will change from pattern based recognition to motion based. This means camoflage will have no use and hunting blinds and slow movement will be best. This change will free up brain function for other processes and will be a necesity as the brain will now be at a premium. Sound is completely self explanatory and would only show a minor increase in observable use. Smell is where we can see an actual marked increase in observable use. For whatever reason we humans pay little attention to our sense of smell, using as little as 30% of our capability. So you can imagine the boost that smell would get. This still would not bring a zed to the level of a dog , but would not confer a tracking ability, though following a scent upwind could happen. This being said, coating onesself in zombie goo would not be a workable action. You would have to have direct goo-skin contact for the two smells (zombie and human) to combine. Otherwise you would have two different scent that the dead tell the difference between, obviously the case elsewise a zombie couldn’t smell you over the stronger smell of his bottom lip. So now it’s down to coating your SKIN with this or it not working. I’ll let the reader decide whether the POSSIBILITY of being ignored is worth the risk of infection, either from the zombie virus or any of the other diseases a walking corpse will be carrying. All this being said there are many ways of masking your own scent through washing and wearing cologne to chem suits to offensive area weapons such as strong chemicals and gallon bottles of perfumes. The only thing is the learning curve for these is too high to blindly experiment with. While the walking dead comic series is really good I wouldn’t try what the character in question did (coated in zed gunk and halving two of them as pets) anymore than play a video game with a zombie (ala Shaun of the Dead). In an outbreak someone else can be the test subject for this tactic I won’t be it. Chemicals and Perfume bombs could be tested at a distance with relative safety as long as a good and quick escape method was available.

]]> By: Dreamornaut http://www.zombiesarecoming.com/2008/06/27/using-sense-of-smell-against-the-undead-to-save-the-living/comment-page-1/#comment-102975 Dreamornaut Sat, 18 Oct 2008 12:57:20 +0000 http://www.zombiesarecoming.com/2008/06/27/using-sense-of-smell-against-the-undead-to-save-the-living/#comment-102975 Do you mean spandex or latex? If it's spandex you'll still sweat, so I'm not sure if I see an advantage other then you'd have nothing hanging loose (OK, talking about latex and things hanging loose is just wrong) for the Zed to grab. In the case of latex, yes it's not breathable at all and sweat wouldn't escape. The bad part of it, neither will you. Sweating is part of the bodies cooling system and if your sweat can't evaporate you could possibly die from heat stroke even in a snow storm. OK, I'm exaggerating a little, but only a little. Do you mean spandex or latex? If it’s spandex you’ll still sweat, so I’m not sure if I see an advantage other then you’d have nothing hanging loose (OK, talking about latex and things hanging loose is just wrong) for the Zed to grab. In the case of latex, yes it’s not breathable at all and sweat wouldn’t escape. The bad part of it, neither will you. Sweating is part of the bodies cooling system and if your sweat can’t evaporate you could possibly die from heat stroke even in a snow storm.

OK, I’m exaggerating a little, but only a little.

]]> By: AssasinatingTheZombies http://www.zombiesarecoming.com/2008/06/27/using-sense-of-smell-against-the-undead-to-save-the-living/comment-page-1/#comment-102357 AssasinatingTheZombies Tue, 14 Oct 2008 17:06:22 +0000 http://www.zombiesarecoming.com/2008/06/27/using-sense-of-smell-against-the-undead-to-save-the-living/#comment-102357 surely, wearing a spandex suit under ur clothes wud help? if not a bit too sexual...or gAsexual lol i wud wear spandex suit, or summat to cover my body, wud wear thin metal bracelocks around my limbs, chest and neck, wud wear metal helmet shield, and wud use a flamethrower, an M4 carbine, and sum phosphoroues grenades in the dozen burning is the only true answer, and ud have to burn them as u see them, or the fluid cud get away, into a drain, an multiply, creating a new mutant-ic zombie although, a knight in shining armour, wud ironically be useful, as they r protected from all zombie attacks, and bites, and if they had flamethrower, M4 and phosphorous grenades, then that wud be a life saver cudnt u drive around in an armoured SUV, emitting a kind of brown noise...or a dog whistle, except for zombies...without fluids of being alive, zomkbies cud not see, hear, smell, or touch, so they must be being controlled by a higher source, meaning....there is an evil genius with a million henchmen, converting the dead into walking undead that has to be it surely, wearing a spandex suit under ur clothes wud help?
if not a bit too sexual…or gAsexual lol

i wud wear spandex suit, or summat to cover my body, wud wear thin metal bracelocks around my limbs, chest and neck, wud wear metal helmet shield, and wud use a flamethrower, an M4 carbine, and sum phosphoroues grenades in the dozen

burning is the only true answer, and ud have to burn them as u see them, or the fluid cud get away, into a drain, an multiply, creating a new mutant-ic zombie

although, a knight in shining armour, wud ironically be useful, as they r protected from all zombie attacks, and bites, and if they had flamethrower, M4 and phosphorous grenades, then that wud be a life saver

cudnt u drive around in an armoured SUV, emitting a kind of brown noise…or a dog whistle, except for zombies…without fluids of being alive, zomkbies cud not see, hear, smell, or touch, so they must be being controlled by a higher source, meaning….there is an evil genius with a million henchmen, converting the dead into walking undead

that has to be it

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