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	<title>Comments on: 5 Reasons to Avoid Public Safety Facilities During a Zombie Outbreak</title>
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		<title>By: Sharpshooter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sharpshooter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 21:34:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i would totaly hit up a hospital. not durring the initial outbreak but after about a week or so. sure a lot of zombies but go in there with a team of 5 and youll do fine.</description>
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		<title>By: Sharpshooter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sharpshooter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 23:36:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>heres something not everyone might have thought of: surround yourself with friends and family if you can but make sure that if they get biten or scratched that you can have the emotional power and will to but a friggin&#039; bullet in their head.... it sounds cruel but its a possibility... also make sure they can do the same for you as well!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>heres something not everyone might have thought of: surround yourself with friends and family if you can but make sure that if they get biten or scratched that you can have the emotional power and will to but a friggin&#8217; bullet in their head&#8230;. it sounds cruel but its a possibility&#8230; also make sure they can do the same for you as well!</p>
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		<title>By: GonzoTheBurner</title>
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		<dc:creator>GonzoTheBurner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 2009 20:53:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s a shame that the hospitals will be moaning monuments when the outbreak occurs- because really they are the best places to hold out long term, as is. Most have huge, thick and heavy doors, obviously supplies and alot of space. What most people probabley don&#039;t know is that major hospitals are required to have back up generators that can supply electricity to all the ER and intensive care units. These huge generators are routineley inspected and have a well stocked supply of fuel- I believe to be at least 2 weeks worth with full-blown, non-stop use. Not to mention helicopter access and painkillers, always a good time when those two are together.

If you got the will, stamina, manpower and fire power- it maybe worth it to try and clear these places out, if you have to hold out long term. I don&#039;t think it&#039;s real unlikely you&#039;d see me there, though. If you do, I&#039;m either really desperate or I&#039;ve already turned....DumDumDuuuum!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a shame that the hospitals will be moaning monuments when the outbreak occurs- because really they are the best places to hold out long term, as is. Most have huge, thick and heavy doors, obviously supplies and alot of space. What most people probabley don&#8217;t know is that major hospitals are required to have back up generators that can supply electricity to all the ER and intensive care units. These huge generators are routineley inspected and have a well stocked supply of fuel- I believe to be at least 2 weeks worth with full-blown, non-stop use. Not to mention helicopter access and painkillers, always a good time when those two are together.</p>
<p>If you got the will, stamina, manpower and fire power- it maybe worth it to try and clear these places out, if you have to hold out long term. I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s real unlikely you&#8217;d see me there, though. If you do, I&#8217;m either really desperate or I&#8217;ve already turned&#8230;.DumDumDuuuum!</p>
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		<title>By: Dreamornaut</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dreamornaut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 08:48:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, my problem will be that since I live right in the center of the metro area I&#039;ll be limited to what I can carry that still allows mobility on foot or bicycle.  Assuming the worst, having to detour a few times and run like my ass was on fire in various directions, It might take a couple days before I can reach open terrain.  Because of this, I wouldn&#039;t try to carry anything more then a 3 day pack and maybe a gym bag or something else I can sling over my shoulder that I can drop if needed.  At best I might have maybe seven or eight MREs and 20 or so ration bars.  The ration bars can keep you from dying, but not much else, so it won&#039;t be long before I&#039;ll have to scavange for supplies. Especially if I pick up one or two people with little or no supplies on route.

I figure the suburbs will probably be pretty dangerous when I pass through that way, so I&#039;ll definatly be avoiding major commercial zones.  The people who haven&#039;t fled yet will likely be staking claim to just about everything not locked down or holding up in stores when the major streets and highways fill up with zed.  My big worries will be likely panicked drivers on side streets and being shot by someone who&#039;s scared out of there wits killing anything that comes within 75 yards of there home.  

Once things open up into the odd model home neighborhoods, farms and trailer parks it will be easier to just go overland avoiding people.  Once in a more completely rural area, I&#039;ll mainly be staying clear of major roads which may still be packed.  My focus is largely making it to a rural area that&#039;s close enough to civilization to bugout, but is far enough from anywhere people would want to go, including untouched wildnerness since that would probably be where maybe 10% or more survivors would go.  Living in the wild seems all fine and good, but when the human population in those areas quadruple, fishing and game will get sparse quick.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, my problem will be that since I live right in the center of the metro area I&#8217;ll be limited to what I can carry that still allows mobility on foot or bicycle.  Assuming the worst, having to detour a few times and run like my ass was on fire in various directions, It might take a couple days before I can reach open terrain.  Because of this, I wouldn&#8217;t try to carry anything more then a 3 day pack and maybe a gym bag or something else I can sling over my shoulder that I can drop if needed.  At best I might have maybe seven or eight MREs and 20 or so ration bars.  The ration bars can keep you from dying, but not much else, so it won&#8217;t be long before I&#8217;ll have to scavange for supplies. Especially if I pick up one or two people with little or no supplies on route.</p>
<p>I figure the suburbs will probably be pretty dangerous when I pass through that way, so I&#8217;ll definatly be avoiding major commercial zones.  The people who haven&#8217;t fled yet will likely be staking claim to just about everything not locked down or holding up in stores when the major streets and highways fill up with zed.  My big worries will be likely panicked drivers on side streets and being shot by someone who&#8217;s scared out of there wits killing anything that comes within 75 yards of there home.  </p>
<p>Once things open up into the odd model home neighborhoods, farms and trailer parks it will be easier to just go overland avoiding people.  Once in a more completely rural area, I&#8217;ll mainly be staying clear of major roads which may still be packed.  My focus is largely making it to a rural area that&#8217;s close enough to civilization to bugout, but is far enough from anywhere people would want to go, including untouched wildnerness since that would probably be where maybe 10% or more survivors would go.  Living in the wild seems all fine and good, but when the human population in those areas quadruple, fishing and game will get sparse quick.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr Who</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr Who</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 15:17:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, flashlights will be a neccesity.  Batteries will be a premium item.  I would hold out as long as possible before trying any scavenging expedition.  Let the fires burn out and die down.  Let most of the stupider people get themselves killed off.  You&#039;ll have less to pick through, but you&#039;ll be safer and have less problems.  Contact with any other survivor enclaves should be established but cation is a must here.  I would rather forgo get supplies at any area if it meant getting into a fight with other humans.  That would soon end up as a three way battle between the two human groups and a horde of zeds.  Not my idea of fun.  There will be other places you will be able to pick through.

“Zed’s dead baby, Zed’s dead.” - Butch</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, flashlights will be a neccesity.  Batteries will be a premium item.  I would hold out as long as possible before trying any scavenging expedition.  Let the fires burn out and die down.  Let most of the stupider people get themselves killed off.  You&#8217;ll have less to pick through, but you&#8217;ll be safer and have less problems.  Contact with any other survivor enclaves should be established but cation is a must here.  I would rather forgo get supplies at any area if it meant getting into a fight with other humans.  That would soon end up as a three way battle between the two human groups and a horde of zeds.  Not my idea of fun.  There will be other places you will be able to pick through.</p>
<p>“Zed’s dead baby, Zed’s dead.” &#8211; Butch</p>
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		<title>By: Dreamornaut</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dreamornaut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 07:08:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well once a safe location is found the first thing I would do after making the place at least relatively secure is begin scavanging opperations.  The first targets, considering the location I&#039;m considering will be food, firearms and ammunition, tools and construction materials.  When hitting larger stores a big issue will be light.  Assuming the power will be out having headlamps (used sparingly since there will still be jumpy people around and those things make you a target), portable LED camp lights (in this case used to light up the interior of buildings quickly) , a solar charger and two-way radios.  I&#039;m planning on picking these things up for my bug-out bag for specificly this purpose.  All this stuff is currently pretty cheap, so why not.  Not to mention, all this stuff is pretty small and easy to carry.  Hell even a good multi-purpose axe (axe, prybar and hammer head combo) is a cheap $10 investment worth making.  Throw in one guy unlucky enough to have a trench tool and your set.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well once a safe location is found the first thing I would do after making the place at least relatively secure is begin scavanging opperations.  The first targets, considering the location I&#8217;m considering will be food, firearms and ammunition, tools and construction materials.  When hitting larger stores a big issue will be light.  Assuming the power will be out having headlamps (used sparingly since there will still be jumpy people around and those things make you a target), portable LED camp lights (in this case used to light up the interior of buildings quickly) , a solar charger and two-way radios.  I&#8217;m planning on picking these things up for my bug-out bag for specificly this purpose.  All this stuff is currently pretty cheap, so why not.  Not to mention, all this stuff is pretty small and easy to carry.  Hell even a good multi-purpose axe (axe, prybar and hammer head combo) is a cheap $10 investment worth making.  Throw in one guy unlucky enough to have a trench tool and your set.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr Who</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr Who</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 04:06:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree Dreamornaut, especially considering most malls will have tons of crap you don&#039;t need, can&#039;t use, and isn&#039;t worth any trade value anymore.  Designer clothing, TVs, CDs, DVDs, video games, toys, and a ton of other crap.  What food is available will spoil quickly after the power is gone.  Usually the main entrances are big and full of plate glass (shows off your nice tasty body to the zeds outside).  The only thing I could think of that you could really use out of there are some of the neater tools and flashlights from Sharper Image and some books IF the mall has a bookstore.  Though I think it&#039;s still a dumb idea, youl&#039;d be better off trying to make it at Wally World.  

Gunstores are a mixed bag.  The one owner I know would be hightailing it into west Texas as fast as he could.  Still the problem comes about from the fact that they&#039;re built like fortresses.  Another location from supplies could be a pawnshop.  Pretty secure, but not as secure as a gunshop.  Plus the added bonus of tools and gold (trust me you want it for the long haul, if only to cast bullets).   Sometimes you find other things like sporting equipment, scuba gear, and whatnot.  Pawnshops are kinda a grabbag of stuff, some useful, most not.

“Zed’s dead baby, Zed’s dead.” - Butch</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree Dreamornaut, especially considering most malls will have tons of crap you don&#8217;t need, can&#8217;t use, and isn&#8217;t worth any trade value anymore.  Designer clothing, TVs, CDs, DVDs, video games, toys, and a ton of other crap.  What food is available will spoil quickly after the power is gone.  Usually the main entrances are big and full of plate glass (shows off your nice tasty body to the zeds outside).  The only thing I could think of that you could really use out of there are some of the neater tools and flashlights from Sharper Image and some books IF the mall has a bookstore.  Though I think it&#8217;s still a dumb idea, youl&#8217;d be better off trying to make it at Wally World.  </p>
<p>Gunstores are a mixed bag.  The one owner I know would be hightailing it into west Texas as fast as he could.  Still the problem comes about from the fact that they&#8217;re built like fortresses.  Another location from supplies could be a pawnshop.  Pretty secure, but not as secure as a gunshop.  Plus the added bonus of tools and gold (trust me you want it for the long haul, if only to cast bullets).   Sometimes you find other things like sporting equipment, scuba gear, and whatnot.  Pawnshops are kinda a grabbag of stuff, some useful, most not.</p>
<p>“Zed’s dead baby, Zed’s dead.” &#8211; Butch</p>
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		<title>By: Dreamornaut</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dreamornaut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 06:57:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I should also add that aside from public facilities and military bases, another place to avoid would be the malls.  Most of these large cavremous buildings mostly in suburban areas have already set up agreements between the owners and the municipalities to be used as staging areas for disaster relief.  Mall owners usually go for this just because it&#039;s good PR and helps solidify relations within the community, which is there biggest patrons.

Also, I would stay away from local gun shops.  Most of the ones in my area have owners that in an emergency would likely go to there store for shelter.  The buildings are secure, with the few windows being heavily bared.  Also, the two closest to me have caged inner doors for security.  At least one owner has sleeping quarters and a months supply of MREs, not to mention that they are heavily armed and tend to keep at least one weapon at the ready behind the counter.  

This means that early on, I am not going to even try to raid my local gunshops.  I would rather hit a department stores rather limited collection of firearms and ammo or own the arsenal I need before hand.  On the plus side, in a stage 3 or 4 outbreak, because some of the owners barrackaded themselves inside there stores, there&#039;s a chance they will be fully stocked in a couple months if the buildings survive and if there&#039;s not a thousand zed between you and it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I should also add that aside from public facilities and military bases, another place to avoid would be the malls.  Most of these large cavremous buildings mostly in suburban areas have already set up agreements between the owners and the municipalities to be used as staging areas for disaster relief.  Mall owners usually go for this just because it&#8217;s good PR and helps solidify relations within the community, which is there biggest patrons.</p>
<p>Also, I would stay away from local gun shops.  Most of the ones in my area have owners that in an emergency would likely go to there store for shelter.  The buildings are secure, with the few windows being heavily bared.  Also, the two closest to me have caged inner doors for security.  At least one owner has sleeping quarters and a months supply of MREs, not to mention that they are heavily armed and tend to keep at least one weapon at the ready behind the counter.  </p>
<p>This means that early on, I am not going to even try to raid my local gunshops.  I would rather hit a department stores rather limited collection of firearms and ammo or own the arsenal I need before hand.  On the plus side, in a stage 3 or 4 outbreak, because some of the owners barrackaded themselves inside there stores, there&#8217;s a chance they will be fully stocked in a couple months if the buildings survive and if there&#8217;s not a thousand zed between you and it.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr Who</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr Who</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 13:59:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with you 100% Dreamornaut.  How severe the outbreak is really depends on how quickly the virus overtakes it&#039;s host.  Really it would be better for everyone (though not the people in the outbreak area) if the disease overtakes it&#039;s host quickly.  If it takes along time to turn people that are bitten the outbreak will be huge.  This is the reason that Ebola and other hemorragic fevers aren&#039;t horribly bad.  They progress too quick, infecting and killing thier hosts too fast.  With a fast incubation period things will go to hell very quickly shutting down key services like transportation and keeping most people from being able to flee the scene.  A slow or even medium incubation period will let the infection spread, possible even to other countries if they can cross an international flight without turning.  And a tourist city like Las Vegas is a horrid thought.  &quot;What happens in Vegas, WON&#039;T stay in Vegas.&quot;  

“Zed’s dead baby, Zed’s dead.” - Butch</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you 100% Dreamornaut.  How severe the outbreak is really depends on how quickly the virus overtakes it&#8217;s host.  Really it would be better for everyone (though not the people in the outbreak area) if the disease overtakes it&#8217;s host quickly.  If it takes along time to turn people that are bitten the outbreak will be huge.  This is the reason that Ebola and other hemorragic fevers aren&#8217;t horribly bad.  They progress too quick, infecting and killing thier hosts too fast.  With a fast incubation period things will go to hell very quickly shutting down key services like transportation and keeping most people from being able to flee the scene.  A slow or even medium incubation period will let the infection spread, possible even to other countries if they can cross an international flight without turning.  And a tourist city like Las Vegas is a horrid thought.  &#8220;What happens in Vegas, WON&#8217;T stay in Vegas.&#8221;  </p>
<p>“Zed’s dead baby, Zed’s dead.” &#8211; Butch</p>
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		<title>By: Dreamornaut</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dreamornaut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 06:59:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Emergency responders would be particularly vulnerable to infection.  Early on, before anyone really notices there&#039;s a problem it will be the police, fire and paramedics dealing with the infected and will not likely be recognizing the zed for the zed.  Given a 24 hour incubation period for solanum for instance,you could easily have a good portion of emergency response personnel infected within 48 hours.  

Police will be dealing with the zed most likely as mentally unstable assault suspects.  Maybe getting bitten quite often as they wrestle with zed thinking they are either crazy, high or both.  Since they are completely unable to be pacified the zed would be restrained and detained in holding cells, which would likely lead to more officers being infected.

Paramedics and fire will both be dealing with these attack victims as well as reported picking up people that are possibly in the final stages of infection before zombification.  Fire crews will deal with fires possibly started unwittingly by the zed or even people fighting the zed and not even realize the danger they are in.  

I could easily see  that within 48 hours a good deal of emergency response personnel being infected and it might take this long for them to even really realize whats happening.  Though by then it could be too late.  In this early period the police and fire would also be spread pretty thin and response times would eventually become horrific leading to the situation becoming even worse.

In essence the way I see it, your local police station, fire station and hospitals would become zed ground zero.  Then, since many of the general hospitals are usually located within spitting distance of the core municipal buildings in most cities of any size, they could easily be over run as well.  Since no one knows what&#039;s going on yet, the zombie love could spread rather easily outward and even to neighboring cities before anyone knows whats going on.  I hate to think what would happen in a city with which relies heavily on tourism, like Los Vegas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Emergency responders would be particularly vulnerable to infection.  Early on, before anyone really notices there&#8217;s a problem it will be the police, fire and paramedics dealing with the infected and will not likely be recognizing the zed for the zed.  Given a 24 hour incubation period for solanum for instance,you could easily have a good portion of emergency response personnel infected within 48 hours.  </p>
<p>Police will be dealing with the zed most likely as mentally unstable assault suspects.  Maybe getting bitten quite often as they wrestle with zed thinking they are either crazy, high or both.  Since they are completely unable to be pacified the zed would be restrained and detained in holding cells, which would likely lead to more officers being infected.</p>
<p>Paramedics and fire will both be dealing with these attack victims as well as reported picking up people that are possibly in the final stages of infection before zombification.  Fire crews will deal with fires possibly started unwittingly by the zed or even people fighting the zed and not even realize the danger they are in.  </p>
<p>I could easily see  that within 48 hours a good deal of emergency response personnel being infected and it might take this long for them to even really realize whats happening.  Though by then it could be too late.  In this early period the police and fire would also be spread pretty thin and response times would eventually become horrific leading to the situation becoming even worse.</p>
<p>In essence the way I see it, your local police station, fire station and hospitals would become zed ground zero.  Then, since many of the general hospitals are usually located within spitting distance of the core municipal buildings in most cities of any size, they could easily be over run as well.  Since no one knows what&#8217;s going on yet, the zombie love could spread rather easily outward and even to neighboring cities before anyone knows whats going on.  I hate to think what would happen in a city with which relies heavily on tourism, like Los Vegas.</p>
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