Zombie Fight Club

While we all hope that when the time comes to combat the undead we can do so at a distance, there may be times when distance is a luxury that we do not have. It is at these close distances that we must rely on close combat techniques, and perhaps a little bit of luck, to save alive.
In this article I would like to bring forth the idea that those aware of the threat of the undead should work towards creating a group that practices hand to hand combat and other techniques, such as knife fighting or how to use your primary firearm as a blunt weapon, may save your life.
Those of us that practice martial arts can look at this as and refine those techniques, and train other, where we can quickly free ourselves or throw our opponent off balance and to the ground. While it may seem practical to train in only techniques that we can use to gain leverage to neutralize or eliminate the zombie, one’s main concern when engaging the undead at biting range is to get away and get distance without being bitten. For encounters where we are surprised at close range without a weapon, a good possibility if you are away from you home during the beginning of an outbreak, training to simple shove the zombie away is plenty good to keep your skin in one piece. Also training and cross training in other techniques and styles not only give you a large selection of techniques to choose from but also training, martial art training in particular, also helps increase endurance, strength, and most of all mental and physical discipline.
However, before you go running off to start your training there are a few considerations that you need to take into account.
- Firstly, zombies feel no pain. Training and trying to use techniques to soften up, or distract them from their primary objective, your flesh, will do no good and are wasted effort.
- Secondly, avoid the fancy stuff. If you see it in a movie, chances are it is stylized and useless in actually application, though there are times where this is not true, but beware nonetheless. If you are looking for good, simplistic and brutally effective style for all look to Krav Maga, the Israeli defensive combat system. It will need some modification for combating zombies but the system was designed for easy of learning and to allow young and old to use it effectively.
- Lastly, train, train, and train some more. They technique is no good if you never do. The moves must be instantaneous with no hesitation or thought.
Comments (36)







Sharpshooter on 21 Aug 2009 at 12:20 am #
ok so basically this article is telling us one thing: we’re pretty fucked. XDDD
McLuvin on 21 Aug 2009 at 12:23 am #
Kain, thank you, another interesting topic that we don’t often consider.
I like the Krav Maga suggestion, many of that disciplines techniques would be very useful against the undead.
I would also suggest some Muay Thai training, this art focuses on using hands, feet, elbows, and knees as striking tools.
Being able to strike from many angles would be helpful in avoiding the zeds primary weapon(mouth), and some Muay Thai strikes are dedicated to knocking an opponent clean off ther feet which would give you time to finish them off or escape.
Angryvikingman on 21 Aug 2009 at 1:44 am #
I would say that hitting a zombie in the head is a dangerous prospect. You could cut your knuckles on their teeth, as happens in many fist fights, and then you have just infected yourself with blood on blood contact. Krav Maga is brutal, and designed to be used so that anyone can use it, but in a fight vs. a zombie, youre going to be at a disadvantage if you try and use Krav Maga. First of all striking with any uncovered area of exposed flesh is a bad idea. Krav Maga uses locks and organ blows to incapacitate the intended target. Not very much use on a target that feels no pain, and doesnt care if you break their arm. Yeah, if you break their arms, then they can’t grab you anymore, but you still have to deal with a chomping mouth. If you value your life, heed one small piece of advice from me. ALWAYS CARRY A KNIFE. Get something you can open with one hand. A few well placed cuts with a knife, and your worries are over, and if you lack the skill for precision cutting, then just jam it into the top of their head. Works for living as well as zombies. Just about nowhere except airports and federal buildings prohibit knives. They’re a useful tool that can save your life. If you ever get caught in unarmed combat, then you were unprepared for combat. I carry at least one machete in my car, and I always have my pocket knife. My job says I can’t have one, but I carry it anyway, fuck those bastards. Excuse my language. If you don’t feel that you could comfortably carry a knife, then always be on the look out for weapons of opportunity. A chair, shopping cart, another person if need be, and so on. No life is worth your own, unless its a loved one, and that only to a certain extent. If you want to carry a weapon that doesnt look like a weapon, then get a kubotan stick for your keyring. Its a small pointed stick that is used for striking blows, is excedingly lethal and fits in the palm of your hand. Get armed, stay armed, and survive.
Jay on 21 Aug 2009 at 7:47 am #
Angryviking man you could always wear a pair of thick gloves! Plus on the day ive got a 7inch hunting knife! That id have by my side just in case of a sticky situation where id have to figh them hand to hand
Angryvikingman on 21 Aug 2009 at 9:41 am #
Yeah, sure, but what if you arent around any of that stuff when the shit hits the fan. What if you’re not home, on vacation, in another town, at the mall, ect. You arent just going to wear a pair of thick gloves everywhere are you? Didnt think so. If local law didnt prohibit carrying a blade over a certain length, I’d wear my 19 inch kukri everywhere I go. If you always carry a knife, then you’ll never lack for a weapon. Why do people persist in spouting things like Jay did? Think about it people, you aren’t ALWAYS going to have everything at hand when you need it. At least if you carry a pocket knife you could defend yourself in a more lethal manner. Not everyone is fricking Bruce Lee. Don’t try to sell me on inpractical crap that you aren’t going to have on your person at all times.
Miguel Sanchez on 21 Aug 2009 at 12:10 pm #
the best way to fight off a zombie is to hit and run… never engage in any unarmed combat w/ the zeds.. you’ll live longer that way.. IMHO the best way to fight a zombie is the run in the opposite direction…
other than that leg kicks are always good take away their mobility and then your in good shape..
Adam on 21 Aug 2009 at 1:12 pm #
Actually, carrying knives is illegal in the UK :L
Well, I think you can carry swiss army knives.
But they’re normally too short to kill a zombie.
I do carry a penknife in my wallet though. Because it’s better than nothing, though the blade is less than 3 inches.
I don’t think stabbing in the top of the head is a good idea. You’d need an awful lot of force to penetrate the skull, and even then it’s not a guaranteed kill and the knife will be stuck.
A little tip: whenever you stab something, whether it’s with a knife, a sword or a bayonet, always remember to twist the blade to stop the flesh’s suction from gripping it.
Jay on 21 Aug 2009 at 1:42 pm #
Thick gloves well yeah 70% of the day i do kevlar ones erm weapon yep got one with me 24/7 work with it 70% of the day aswell
Jay on 21 Aug 2009 at 1:52 pm #
Pocket knife ”smh” LQQK around you weapons are every where and angryvikinman i really dont know why you have to ‘try’ and impress people on this website! Then take the piss out of a fellow reader cos of a ”SPELLING MISTAKE” i mean do come on ‘smh’
Adam on 21 Aug 2009 at 2:09 pm #
what does ‘smh’ even mean?
And I’ve never gotten the impression that Angryvikingman is just trying to impress people, and I don’t think he was taking the piss out of you because of a spelling mistake. He was refering in general to people who say things like “Oh, I’ll be fine, i’ll have my rifle”. Because it’s possible you won’t have it. You can’t really walk round all day with a rifle, so if you get cut off from your home, you won’t have it.
Weapons are everywhere, yes, but how effective are they? yes, in a pinch almost anything can be a weapon, but very few will get you home safely. Say you smash a zombie over the head with a chair. Chairs are heavy and unwieldy. You’d probably be grabbed by another zombie before you can swing the chair again.
Incidentally, what job do you have that involves wearing thick gloves and carrying a weapon all day? All I can think of is a gardener?
Or what if you’re on a date? Would you take a weapon with you on a date?
Jay on 21 Aug 2009 at 2:17 pm #
Another thing there’s you showing of all your stuff and acting like a one man army (RAMBO) and you have the cheek to try and belittle people! Making out your the best on this site saying you can do this and that well prove it cos at the end of the day i think your FULL OF SHIT! Mate.
Jay on 21 Aug 2009 at 2:19 pm #
No adam not me with a spelling mistake but another poster mate! And smh= shakes my head!
Adam on 21 Aug 2009 at 2:25 pm #
It’s true, a lot of people do seem to think they’re a one-man army, though I’m not sure that was what angryvikingman was trying to convey.
The point of this site and others like it is so people can help each other with their plans, which does sometimes mean pointing out their flaws. I think they’re trying to help, rather than belittle.
Jay on 21 Aug 2009 at 2:31 pm #
Adam have you ever seen a paddy bike or known as a petrol cutter to cut steal brick and concrete you got to wear thick gloves to use them in order for you to protect your hands and i work in demolition
Ryan Elliott on 21 Aug 2009 at 2:32 pm #
Ever since I was a child my dad drilled the idea of always carry a knife into my head. So as I was always taught I always carry a knife unless I am going to an airport, federal building or a themepark. Along with my knife I also carry a leatherman and a flashlight everywhere I go because you never know when you will need it. My knife is a Cold Steel Scimitar model so its easily opened with one hand and the spot on the bottom of the handle also makes a decent impact weapon in case you need to hit on the way back to swing the blade again. Flashlight is one of the original Surefire lights that can fit in your poccket and is bright enough to blind anything at night, obviously lithium batteries are a problem once the world ends, but its still useful until I run out of my battery stock. As far as hand to hand combat goes, I know how to fight well enough to survive long enough for help to arrive. But if I were on my own I would be screwed because of my lack of upper body strength. Obviously it would keep me from jamming a knife into a zed’s skull, however I would probably be fast enough to cut ones throat before it could kill me. If however it were more than one or two I would likely just turn the knife on myself so that I wouldnt have to endure the zedification.
Adam on 21 Aug 2009 at 2:52 pm #
Well, as a matter of fact I haven’t ever seen one of those, Jay :L
I always thought working in demolition would be great fun. Smashing stuff all day xD
Also, sorry Ryan but if you cut a zombies throat, it wouldn’t even flinch. It would still devour you.
Try to stab through the bottom of the jaw, if you have a long-ish knife. if not, your best bet is the eye socket. In fact, a screwdriver through the ear would probably work.
I wouldn’t be too pessimistic about your chances of surviving a melee with a zombie on your own. Adrenaline would give you a big enough boost to fight like you did have a lot of upper body strength, though it’s probably best not to rely on this. But just because you’re on your own and facing two or three zombies, that’s no reason to lose hope and kill yourself. Good old human initiative can more than make up a number difference of one or two.
Ryan Elliott on 21 Aug 2009 at 9:41 pm #
I suppose adrenaline would give me some kind of a boost but its never given me enough of one while I was concious to do much with. And yeah after I posted that I facepalmed at the throat slashing bit. However if the throat were slight fully from side to side it would be easy enough to break the neck with an uppercut or kick to the jaw. That however would kill it… assuming I would be thinking clearly enough to land a precise blow.
Ryan Elliott on 21 Aug 2009 at 9:42 pm #
slit*
Angryvikingman on 21 Aug 2009 at 11:34 pm #
Ok, I wasnt trying to “take the piss out of” anyone. If I point out a horribble spelling mistake or two every now and again, then Its not to make fun of anyone, but to shame them into bettering themselves and learning the written word and its proper use/spelling. For those of you who’ve never stabbed anything, the knife comes back out very easy. Also, stabbing in the top of the head IS viable and doesnt take an incredible amount of upper body strength. I don’t know the actual amount of PSI to penetrate a skull, but I do know it can be achieved with a good sharp knife. Supposedly a watermelon (the rind) is almost identical to the density of a human skull, and I know I can jab a dull ass butter knife into one of those. If you’re worried about hand to hand combat vs. a zombie, and its one on one, then you can use the technique used by the marines to silence enemy sentries. Stand in front of the zombie. Using your hand, open it like you’d hold a drink cup, and push it straight at the base of the zombies head on the neck, just above the adam’s apple, then turn your hand up, clamping it over the lower jaw. (Dont get bitten) Then sidestep to get a leg behind them and hip toss them onto the ground, all the while keeping your hand in place. Straddle the zombie, place your unused hand at the base of the zombies skull and jerk forward as hard as you can while using your other hand thats clamped on the jaw to turn the head to the side. Congratulations, you’ve just broken your first zombie neck. At any rate, Anyone who wants to “call me out” is more than welcome. All I ask is that you come to me so that I can show you what I know. Read some of my posts and you’ll see that I’m pretty well versed in survival, styles of combat, tactics, construction, and weaponry. I don’t claim to be RAMBO or a walking tank. I’m just a big ole country boy whos been hunting, trapping, shooting and fist fighting all his life. Despite the stigma that comes along with the term “Redneck”, I happily claim to be one, and you can see by my spelling and grammatical usage, that I’m no idiot.
Ronin666 on 22 Aug 2009 at 6:03 am #
Being an older bloke I’d be going for the “try to knock them over then run like hell ” method.If they are shamblers it will take them a while to get back up, by then I’ll be a trail of dust on the horizon. If they are runners………Braaaaaaaaiiins.
Carrying a knife at all times is a good idea,I carry a 3 1/2 blade every day 365 a year. If I can’t take the knife somewhere I don’t go there.
Yes, it’s illegal in Australia to carry ANY knife, seems someone forgot to tell the crims that tho, so I continue to carry.
Angryvikingman on 22 Aug 2009 at 9:23 am #
The Australian government sure did shit on your ability to defend yourself with the gun ban and making knife carry illegal. I heard crime went way up in victoria after that. Like the old saying goes, when guns/knives are outlawed, only outlaws will have them.
I just hope america doesnt head in the same direction. If so, I know a lot of patriots that will be pissed off when they trample on our constitution. It won’t be pretty.
Adam on 22 Aug 2009 at 10:17 am #
Are you quite sure about the knife through the skull thing?
I mean, I have no actual evidence, so I could be completely wrong, but i would imagine that bone is much stronger than watermelon skin, and the skull is pretty thick bone.
Still, no subsitute for experience, and like I say, I have none. So i could be completely wrong :L
Adam on 22 Aug 2009 at 3:49 pm #
Yeah, I guess it is possible then. Though one thing I did notice was that the guy in that link survived, and if it wouldn’t kill a person, i don’t think it would kill a zombie.
Jay on 22 Aug 2009 at 4:02 pm #
All ive got to say to that photo is sod that! So lets say you was on your back with a zombie on top of you theres always the the temple you could aim for its alot softer than a skull!…Angryvikingman my apologies there was a part in you comment that ‘pissed’ me off were all here to try and help one another not argue about things….
Ryan Elliott on 23 Aug 2009 at 10:23 am #
Most of the people I know would actually use the second amendment rights for the reason it exists if the government were to try and take away guns and not a damn one of them owns a gun. I personally would never go to war over them but the american government is smart enough to know it can only push its people so far before they have problems, as is all it takes is one crazy old republican like my grandfather to try and come up with a plan to kill the president and a civil war would start. Just think what would happen if they tried to take guns away from the people like that.
Demetov on 23 Aug 2009 at 12:27 pm #
Reading this, I must say that most forms of hand to hand against a zombie would be horrible. Depending on which form of zombie we face (Saliva Transmission, Blood Transmission, Skin Transmission), there could be at least one way of dealing with a zombie hand to hand.
If we deal with the Saliva Transmission Zombie, I would say the best hand to hand form would be a Mix of Military (American/German) CQC and Krav Maga. Military CQC teaches you to use your body weight against your opponent, getting them off there feet. Then Krav Maga could be used to snap a few bones or puncture some Organs. You have to remember that even a Zombie will still rely on basic body structures, such as the Heart, Brain, and Organs that will allow them to move. If you can render this Organs useless, you can pretty much leave the Zombie broken and unable to feed.
If we deal with the Blood Transmission Zombie, it would be pretty much the same as the Saliva Transmission Zombie. But one might want to try and stay back from stabbing it with any object, as that blood as the ability to squirt out under pressure, and thats always dangerous, as blood may be the way zombies track people down or the blood could get into a wound (Caused by something else, just go with it).
But if we deal with a Zombie which Infect through Skin Cells, the best option would be to push and run. Wear gloves while you do it. Actually, that style of fighting can be used with any of the Zombie types.
In conclusion, if you don’t want to risk it: Push the Zombie and run like Hell.
Caleb Hader on 23 Aug 2009 at 3:10 pm #
Well I would of course, try to never be that close to a zombie to fight it, and I don’t travel a whole lot, so my gear (which is, sadly, not as up to par as I would like it to be) wouldn’t likely be too far from me at any given point, but I do usually carry a buck-knife that I got from my dad when I was younger, and it’s a tough little blade. I can imagine it would be no great feat to be able to stab it into a skull, not that I have any experience on stabbing through bone, but I do know that the usual buck-knife is pretty thick and can get decently sharp (which if anyone is any good at getting a knife/sword sharp, please give a tutorial if you have time, it would definitely be a helpful skill, and I just CAN”T get mine sharp for some reason) and going with a 90 degree angle to the skull and a decently quick swing of the arm, should prove pretty easy. You could also practice this on wooden boards to refine however much force you think would be necessary. That’s all I got.
Ryan Elliott on 23 Aug 2009 at 11:32 pm #
My dad actually has a kit similar to that somewhere around here packed away in the back of a box. Such a shame to because I dont know where it is and my knife is in desperate need of sharpening.
3ID on 24 Aug 2009 at 8:11 am #
i carry a knife with me every were i go also i carry a gun except to my school i still carry the knife though and if you dont belive me ask kain he can back me up.
i carry a benchmade 3 1/2 blade good utiltay knife and a glock 19 i have a permait to carry so i do. but when it comes to hand to hand i am not very good at it my best bet would be to shove and run so i could get to my rifle or a weapon with reach on it but if i got ambushed i could hopefuly hold my own against 1 or 2 but 3 well i hope my Battle Buddy is there with a weapon
Priad on 28 Aug 2009 at 4:07 pm #
I have to say as a person who practices krav maga and a newcomer to this site, krav maga is more for human targets because it causes the most pain. Also it is mainly used when you have no other option. My last point is that you learn krav maga as self defense I.E. disarm a wepon which everyone knows the undead lack the coordination to use so avoid hand to hand altogether if you don’t want to die
prince of paine on 03 Sep 2009 at 7:51 pm #
dude the only way you can win against a zombie in hand-to-hand combat is to literally disable them. snap their legs with a leg-bar, or just go for the spine, whatever way you disable them you need to make sure they cant more. then you can just approach from behind and snap the neck, if that doesnt work just smash the head repeatedly into the ground….. obviously you want to have weapons…a hammer is perfect to brain a zombie, their not illegal and they are multi-purposed!
A.S.U. on 22 Oct 2009 at 4:21 pm #
Aha! Home at last! There are multiple moves in martial arts styles like krav maga and muy thai that I wouldn’t recommend because of proximity to the zombie, but moves such as arm-bars and leg bars that would disable the target are excellent. Just beware for, like Demetov said, Blood, Saliva, and especially skin cell transmission with moves like that. I would not recommend moves, such as the guillotine choke hold that put body parts close to the face or head. Another thing to worry about is the zombies finger nails. They may attempt to claw and scratch at you. Don’t expect all zombies to be neat and groomed. Their fingernails could be long and jagged. With Skin, blood, and saliva transmission, there is a new threat to worry about. So I would advise trying to at least read up on those martial arts, and focus on techniques that could be adapted to zombies. And I am always open to suggestions, so feel free to ask and comment. All though it seems as though Angryvikingman knows his stuff as well. And good idea prince of paine, but I doubt everyone will be carrying a hammer at all times.