Combat Weapon Systems
Just to indulge all of us that like to fantasize about what we would do during the zombie apocalypse, we put forth this question.
If money was no object, what weapon systems you would want to take into battle against the zombies?
Assume that you are going to battle against a large group of zombies, and bringing NOTHING except weapons and ammo that you could carry on your person.
Answer in this form:
Main weapon and accessories you would add
Reason for the choice
Secondary weapon and accessories you would add
Reason for the choice
Side arm and accessories you would add
Reason for the choice
Melee combat weapons
Reason for the choice
Any other weapon or destructive device
Reason for the choice
Example:
Melee combat weapons:
A pair of Kamas…
Reason:
I’m a mall ninja…
Comments (303)
Angryvikingman on 11 Oct 2009 at 7:56 am #
Bare in mind that I am a big person. I can haul a lot of crap. This speculative loadout is based upon the assumption that I would not be running, but firing and displacing in a strategic manner alongside others. I really don’t have any idea as to how I could pack and carry everything, but I’m sure I’d figure something out. I already carry 3 guns when I go hunting, so it shouldn’t be a stretch. (NOTE: NEVER carry loose ammo when going into a fire fight. You’ll die before you ever get one mag reloaded.)
Main weapon and accessories you would add
M-4 carbine
Accessories:
Eotech sight with 3x magnifier, tactical quad rail, verticle foregrip, flashlight, laser sight, bipod, 2 armatac CL double drums(150 rnd each), and 20 conventional 30 rnd mags. Preferably hollow point ammo.(900 total rounds)
Reason for the choice:
Range, rate of fire, supressive fire, familiarity with weapon.
Secondary weapon and accessories you would add
Saiga 12 shotgun
Accessories:
Eotech sight, tri rail, verticle foregrip, flashlight, 5 of the 12 rnd stick mags, and 2 of the 20 rnd drums. All 00 buckshot, 2&3/4 inch shells.(100 total rounds)
Reason for the choice
Supressive fire, rate of fire, ammo capacity, pure destructive capability.
Side arm and accessories you would add
A pair of Glock 17s
Accessories:
5 of the 33 rnd mags per pistol. (330 total rounds)
Reason for the choice
Supressive fire, rate of fire, ammo capacity. I really hate the aesthetics of the Glock, but it’ll get the job done.
Melee combat weapons
Pair of Cold Steel kukri machetes
Reason for the choice
Edge retention, grip, great weapons for fighting in a crowd.
Any other weapon or destructive device
M-32 40mm, 6 shot grenade launcher (+6 extra rounds)
Reason for the choice
Better and more accurate than trying to throw a grenade where you want it to land. You can destroy entire groups from a safe distance.
I realize that carrying 1342 rounds of various ammo seems excessive, but when my ass is on the line, I want it covered. Running out of ammo is not an option when zombies don’t have any fear of bodily harm. If others in my party are similarly armed, then cutting a swath of destruction through a group zombies should be pretty easy.
McLuvin on 11 Oct 2009 at 2:17 pm #
I would choose pretty much the same loadout as Viking with a few exceptions.
Change the Eotechs to aimpoints(personal preference)
Lose the drum mags(tend to be heavy and unreliable)
Add a few 17rd mags for the glocks(easier to carry holstered/reload with 33’s)
Change grenade launcher to roll of Det-cord(use for IED’s/and opening doors etc.)
Angryvikingman on 11 Oct 2009 at 3:25 pm #
Those LC drums have no feed or reliability issues. Go to the armatac website and watch some of the videos. They did a 1,050 round test and no feed problems. The gun plus the full drum only weighs 8lbs. Thats lighter than the empty weight of my HK. Also, you can carry det-cord in addition to the launcher as det-cord isnt heavy and can fit in a dump bag.
Andy on 11 Oct 2009 at 4:03 pm #
I’m no weapons guru, so I’d keep it simple.
Desert Eagle- plenty of eight round clips stashed in a back pack. Easy to carry, plus if I want to mod it out, there’s room for rails and lasers and cool stuff.
Machette- I’d want a close combat hack’n’slasher so I could remove heads, but I don’t have any proper sword training, and I know you can get these at Wal-Mart, so it’s not like I’d have to look far for one.
Can of Deisel and my Zippo- it won’t scare ‘em, or even immediately stop em, so I don’t really have a good reason for this…I’d just feel better having them.
WInchester .308 Sniper- Isn’t this what the cops used to use? If so, there should be plenty lying around when the SWAT teams get eaten. Gotta have something long range, right?
John Rambo’s Knife- Do I need a reason? :)
What danger? on 11 Oct 2009 at 4:07 pm #
James bond’s invisible car from die another day. You know, with the shotguns and missiles and all that great stuff. Plus the Auto Assault 12 shotgun. With all the ammo I can carry in the trunk. In case I had to abandon the car I could get the ammo and run. Many a c-4 det pack aswell so I can blow myself up when I’m surrounded
What danger? on 11 Oct 2009 at 4:13 pm #
Desert eagle is a terrible idea. You wouldn’t be able to fire fast enough I save your skin in a bad situation. But john Rambos knife componsates. Does chuck Norrises leg count as a weapon system?
Angryvikingman on 11 Oct 2009 at 4:21 pm #
Andy, let me suggest something besides a backpack to store your mags. Perhaps a tactical vest, its easier to open a velcro pocket on your chest than to take off your pack to get out a mag, then reload. Also, theres supposedly a 10 and 14 round mag for the desert eagle. Less reloading = more carnage. Whenever a fraction of a second will determine if you live or die, you want to be able to get at your mags as fast as possible.
What danger? on 11 Oct 2009 at 4:26 pm #
Sorry about my shitty grammar im typing on an ipod touch keyboard and i have big suasage fingers.
McLuvin on 11 Oct 2009 at 7:59 pm #
Viking, those drums might work. My only drum experience for AR’s is beta mags and they don’t seem to work too well. As for the Saiga 12 drums the wraithmaker empty weighs like 4 pounds and the MD arms are not light either. For the size and weight of the 20rd drum you could carry 3-4 stick mags.
Andy I know you said you weren’t a weapons expert but you may want to reconsider the Deasert Eagle. They are super heavy. the ergonomics suck, the capacity is low, and the power is not needed.
Also they are magazines not clips.
3-15 INF on 11 Oct 2009 at 8:49 pm #
I’ve been to Iraq 3 times and have alot of combat experience in infantry battles. I’ve been in the invasion in March ‘03, Sadr City in ‘05 and Mahmudyiah and Sadr City again in ‘07/’08. I would carry what I find to be a tried and true proven recipie in combat. Plus, it’s gear that is available to civilians.
1. M4 Rifle with ACOG 4×32 Scope, Surefire Taclight, Buttstock mag carrier, vertical foregrip, Surefire suppressor, Ranger Chest Rack with 12 30 rd mags.
2. 1911 .45 cal pistol with Streamlight TLR-2 laser/flashlight, 8 mags on padded pistol belt and Blackhawk Serpa holster.
3. Cold Steel Rifleman’s Tomahawk for close combat when handling single individual zombies
4.Cold Steel Boar Spear for covering close combat in alleyways, doorways, defensive areas, and hallways.
This combination of weapons give superior combat abilities from 0-300m. Plus, I would be able to compliment almost any team like angryvikingman. A perfect team would be 3- 4 people, since we would be able to shoot, move, communicate the most efficiently and quickly and have the most chance of limiting personality problems, Ultimately, one individual in the group would have a shotgun, one have some kind of heavy club or sledge hammer, and one have a long range rifle for really far out work.
Yeah, that’s about it.
Angryvikingman on 11 Oct 2009 at 9:15 pm #
Well, the armatac are zero friction mags, and dont need lube. I just like to be able to lay down sufficient supressing fire, and if I really wanted to, just sit and pick them off without having to reload. I can’t tell you how bad I hate to reload mags. I have a speed loader and I still hate it.
I can see your point about the drum vs stick mags for the saiga 12. I guess that 4 more 12 rounders would cover the drums. I’d just need to get the nylon fabric and custom make some mag holders, which isnt hard to do. A yard of fabric would probably make 2 pretty big mag bags, and the plastic speed clips for it are only about a dollar as well. I might just do one as a side project.
Andy on 11 Oct 2009 at 10:07 pm #
Hmm…Well, what about the Smith & Wesson M&P comp. 9mm? I read it can hold 10-12 round mags (tip o’ the hat to McLuvin, thanks for the correction), and can also carry mods…I’m not worried about stopping power, just zombie skull exploding power, and I’d want easy to carry. What’s the word on polys, anyway?
Angryvikingman on 11 Oct 2009 at 10:40 pm #
Andy, go for glocks. They’ll take all kinds of mods and have hi-capacity mags. You can find glock mags in damn near every gun shop you walk into.
What danger? on 11 Oct 2009 at 10:57 pm #
on the subject of Tactical vests they are really easy to get as a civillian. You dont even need to buy a militarry one, one for paintball would work just fine. Theres a web site ( rap4.com) that makes milsim ( military simulation) paintball markers that are magazine fed. As far as i know everything on there site is made for military training. But my point is they have a build your own tactical vest option and you can add magazine holders for the milsim markers. Your mag capacity might not be as great as that of one made for actual combat, but its better than loaded pockets. Also iv seen some arguing in other posts about good anti bite armor, and i have to say that paintball pads under standard bdu’s would work great. There lite, comfortable, and i was trying to bite through it and i couldnt. And another thing about the vest is you can also add cross draws for pistols. These cross draws would work just fine for real pistols. And if your worrying about getting useless paintball accesories that you dont want than have no fear. Customizing these vests is great becuase you can add or take off whatever you want. I suggest anyone who wants a good vest go look at the site. I was also on amazon.com earlier today looking for acu tactical belts and i kept getting hits on tactical cross draw vests. They had plenty of mag capacity and they were well priced.
McLuvin on 12 Oct 2009 at 12:58 am #
While the M&P is a good weapon I gotta go with viking on this.
Glocks are the way to go. Assuming identical reliability/durability the glock still wins hands down on availability of parts and accessories.
another mike on 12 Oct 2009 at 5:07 am #
Weapon system? As in a Roman phalanx? Yes, I need a shield wall of a thousand well-paid soldiers protecting me wherever I go. lol.
I’m of the opinion that if Z doesn’t know you’re there, there’s no point getting its attention. So I’d drop all the guns and mags in favor of my bows and quivers.
Main: Shield. The round Viking style but the later Norman design would be more period with the rest of the armor.
Reason: Shields make damn fine weapons. Edge-on at eye level, thrown like a discus, and a solid obstacle keeping them from you.
Secondary: Four lances.
Reason: Fend off, crack skulls, run through at close range, throw for distance. Can be launched from behind shield. Ranges up to 30 yards, longer with spear-throwers.
Sidearm: Hand-and-a-half, bastard, or other short sword.
Accessories: Sharpening stones. Cleaning cloth.
Reason: Pair with shield for maximum carnage. Reach around shield for skull-cracking and other dismemberment.
Other melee: Crowbar. Fire ax or battleaxe.
Accessories: Belt loop. Sharpening stones.
Reason: Because a katana isn’t so good at unlocking doors. Plus 20-foot diameter denied area from the axes.
Ranged: Bow, full quiver.
Accessories: String-making and arrow-making gear and supplies.
Reason: See above regarding lack of advance notice.
Other: Four tomahawks. Knife.
Accessories: Same sharpening stones from above.
Reason: Having a good knife at your side is very comforting.
Sevandor on 12 Oct 2009 at 7:12 am #
Colt Canada C7 rifle with grenede launcher
pack some punch and good ammo capacity.
Remington 700
take the fuckers out before they get close
Browning Hi-Power
effective handgun, generic ammo
Saxon Sword
the most enduring sword design ever invented….and I have weapons straining with it…..and am on saxon desent
My 2 survival knives (11 and 14 inches long), hatchet, and 3 throwing knives
last resort
note I can carry more, i’m just staying light….i’m 6′4″, trust me, i can carry this
3ID on 12 Oct 2009 at 8:48 am #
1st my primary weapon would be a H&K 416 more reliable than the standered M4 or a LWRC rifle with an trijicon accupiont and a surefire surpressor and a tango down bipod with an eagle MARCIRAS MOLLE system i can carry eight mags comfortabley
2nd would be a shotgun mossburg 590A1 Special Purpose 6 shots it a little smaller than the 590A1 but with an side sattle and the four shots in the buttstock that is 1 shot on the weapon with out having to dig through my kit to find more
My pistol would be a Sig p226 9mm that all you need with a surefire light and about 8 of the 20 round flush fit mags
Then as a melee i would cary my emerson CQC Tomahawk and my benchmade knife 4″ blade good for all the little jobs
and if i had room i would carry an M79 granade luncher with about 12HE if the SEALs still us it than it is good enough for me
Angryvikingman on 12 Oct 2009 at 10:35 am #
Really pick the M79 over the M32? One shot over six? Wow. You lose your sight picture every time because you have to reload. You’re saying that you’d rather “bloop”- reload – aim, “bloop”- reload – aim, “bloop”- reload – aim, over “bloop”,”bloop”,”bloop”,”bloop”,”bloop”,”bloop” – reload.
If I can kill/incapacitate like 5 zombies per shot, times 6 shots, as fast as I can pull the trigger, thats better to me than one shot, and fumble to reload. Why choose a musket when you can have a six shooter?
Angryvikingman on 12 Oct 2009 at 10:38 am #
Also, since I havent shot an HK 416, I have to ask, is it more reliable than any other gas piston system like the sig 556, or the other conversions? I was contemplating getting a gas piston system for my AR-15.
AndrewxAnarchy on 12 Oct 2009 at 10:41 am #
Choice: Romanian AK47 GP WASR 10, ATI Furniture (inc. Side Folding Stock), CAA Folding Vertical Grip, Considering Single Point Sling, Still looking at lasers/lights
Reason: .308 ftw, Simple to use, Easy to clean, CQB Capable Stock.
Choice: Glock 19, Looking for laser/light
Reason: 9mm ftw, Simple to use, Easy to clean
Choice: Cold Steel Warrior Wakazashi
Reason: Easier to carry than a full-size Katana,
3ID on 12 Oct 2009 at 4:03 pm #
i like the m79 its not as bulky as the six pack but it is the users prefrance i dont plan on using a lot an one shot with a 40mm will is uasaly all you need as for the 416 it is the reliabilty that i like the D-Boys love them and so do the SAS
McLuvin on 12 Oct 2009 at 4:59 pm #
The HK 416 and the LWRC are both good weapons. I would be more likely to get a gun that was designed with a piston. The previous two are great along with the Sig 556 and MSAR bullpup. Some of the direct impingement AR piston conversions are unreliable due to bolt tilt. Any of the piston guns run much cooler and cleaner.
3ID on 12 Oct 2009 at 6:08 pm #
also the sig 556 the civy one is a little on the heavy side and kind of bulky i like the 416 and the LWRC because it is an m4 platform i know them well and have trainging on the system
also for my gear i would add a PT A Alpha Helmet with surefire light mount on the side and PVS 14 front mountted and PAQ 4 mountted on my rifle
Semper Cogitant on 12 Oct 2009 at 11:02 pm #
Main weapon: HK 417 Recce model with accurized barrel, 2x Trijicon ACOG with red dot, Surefire Scout Light, a dozen 20 round magazines
Reason: I’ve never liked the .223 round, to light. .308 has a better chance of knock down if you miss the brain but hit the target. This weapon is good both for CQB and for longer range engagements and is decent for sniping at moderate ranges. Also, it’s be nice to have a rifle that costs more than my truck.
Secondary Weapon: Remington 870 MCS in the Tactical Entry/CQB configuration with same light as above and two boxes of ammunition.
Reason: a tool as well as a weapon, good for getting into places, not an ideal primary weapon, really only to be used indoors except as a last resort.
Side Arm: 2 Kimber Tactical Entry II pistols with Surefire X400 lights.
Reason: I’ve always been a 1911 guy, owned at least one for all of my adult life and I’ve very comfortable shooing it. These pistols are extremely accurate and are easy to use in close quarters.
Melee Combat Weapons:
1: Emerson CQC-T Tomahawk – Reason, seems the perfect zombie melee weapon.
2: Model 1918 Trench knife. Reason, a fighting knife with brass knuckles built in.
3: Halligan Tool. Reason, a good zombie weapon and a tool with numerous uses.
Any other weapon or destructive device:
I’d like to have a couple Claymores and a few fragmentation grenades, good for slowing down groups of zombies and for clearing a path through a crowd.
THis is quite a heavy load, but I’m a big guy and if things went on too long I could lighten the load as needed.
What Danger? on 12 Oct 2009 at 11:49 pm #
if JameS Bonds car wasnt an option
For a primary rifle i would probably go with an H&K G36-E. Easy maitanence and good power. for a side arm, usp.45 with silencer. Great stealth option great power. Tactical vest for all my ammo, with a drop down leg holster for the pistol that has 2 magazine storage spots on it, as well as another drop down magazine carrier on the other leg. cant forget the C-4 for those doomed situations either. 3-2-1 BOOM there goes the zombies and hopefully the noise lures away zombies surrounding other survivors. This setup is more practical than james bond car, but not nearly as fun…. and maby i forget the special stuff and go with just a mini gun and long ass bullet chain that constricts around me like a snake, go terminator on the zeds!
twitchjuggalo on 13 Oct 2009 at 2:26 am #
i would have to say to angryvikingman that you would have a hell of an arment lol and andy if i may a great sidearm to have i would suggest a walther P99 or the MK23 with a suppressor, another great handgun would be a sig P226 i have a lot of positive things about these but they are hard to come by as the walther P99 i think is federal weaponary so u probly wont see it a lot an the MK23 is navy seals and suppressors are illegal…for now. the sig P226 ive actually seen alot of so tell me what u think
Ronin666 on 13 Oct 2009 at 2:43 am #
Unfortunately in my country you could have all the $ you could dream of and still not be able to buy any of the above weapons.(well maybe on the black market) so I’ll stick with whats in the safe at present.
Main firearms: 357 Winchester lever action
Long range : custom 308 built on a Mauser 98 action
Side arm: Custom 1911 in 9mm or S&W 586 (yes 586 not 686 cause I don’t like shiny guns)
Melee : Chen Tori katana and Nemisis LMax
Maybe add a lever action shotgun or a double barrel.( no pumps allowed here)
twitchjuggalo on 13 Oct 2009 at 3:02 am #
Primary Weapon
M110 SASS with a Leupold 3.5–10× variable power daytime optic, Harris swivel bipod, AN/PVS-14 night sight with 5 20 round mags
Secondary Weapon
MP7A1 SMG with a suppressor, surefire light and laser sights
or I’d have to get a TDI Vector(KRISS Super V) with the suppressor and maybe a light a laser sight
i dont know which gun i would want yet i think they both are great
Sidearm
Mk23 with suppressor, surefire lights and laser sights
Melee
2 machetes
Angryvikingman on 13 Oct 2009 at 3:05 am #
Austrailia is a beautiful country, but the gun laws there are freaking nuts. Have you considered immigrating to the United States? You could still run your businesses down under, and make a lot of $$ here running your own export business. Since you already facilitate the sale of american made tactical goods to Austrailia, why not warehouse and ship them there yourself and cut out the middle man? Plus you could live here and take advantage of our “freedoms” such as they are. With all the money you’d make you can afford frequent trips to your Outback home. Might I suggest the “Patron state of shooting stuff.” as a place to take up residence. (Tennessee) There are tons of types of wild game here if you are a sportsman, and lots of gun and knife enthusiasts. About the only other more gun friendly states are Montana and Texas. The sovereignty laws of montana are great. No federal law or interstate commerce acts to screw with your business. Montana is all about the 2nd and 10th Amendments. (2nd-Right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. 10th-The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.)
So yeah, even with all thats going on, its still not a bad place to live. I know another aussie that came to Tennessee because of the Austrailian gun laws. He does quite well at the gun shows. You can make a fortune at those things.
Off Topic I know, but valid none the less.
twitchjuggalo on 13 Oct 2009 at 3:05 am #
2 MK23’s with same mods
Ronin666 on 13 Oct 2009 at 7:40 am #
Thanks Angry, a nice idea too. I’ve been to the US and loved it but alas the old green card can be illusive.
Now if there’s any attractive young ladies want to marry an aussie and get him residence ……… LOL
G-UMan on 13 Oct 2009 at 10:37 am #
Main weapon:MG42 saw
Accesssories: red dot sight with a pistol grip and a 500 round drum mag thats if they make one if not i will have to make one some how and a shield mount to protect the upper half of my person
Reason for the choice: Reliable suppressing fire and rate of fire
Secondary weapon:Street sweeper automatic shot gun
Accessories: quick reloder red dot sighting again and a collapsible stock
Reason for the choice : fire power shot spread range and rate of fire
Side arm and accessories:500 Super Mag w/ Pistol grip and red dot sightings
Reason for the choice: i know what you guys are gonna stay its to big and way to heavy well…..true but if i line up like 10 of them zombie muthers i could take out each of them with one shot
Melee combat weapons:8 Tomahawks two of them with a 3ft steel handle the other 6 with a one foot wooden handle and a slightly smaller blade
Reason for the choice: the two longer ones are good in close quarters while the other six are great for throwing
Any other weapon or destructive device: claymores like a couple hundred hehe like to see them slack jawed bastards break into my safe house
Reason for the choice: prefered for home defense
Adam on 13 Oct 2009 at 12:26 pm #
M16 Assualt Rifle w/ Grenade launcher
Because the grenades are useful if there’s a wall in my way, or if any other survivor tries to break into my fortress with an armoured van. And the assualt rifle is because it has decent range, semi-automatic setting, a decent sized ammo clip, and it’s the only rifle I know how to properly maintain :L
The accessories I’d add would be a laser dot thing, night vision/infra red sights, and a removable flashlight. And a nice old fashioned bayonet. (not a fixed one)
M98B Barrett
Because I can headshot zombies from THE MOON!
Okay, maybe not, but you take my point.
And who needs acessories with this?
Twin Glock 22’s
Simply because you don’t need much from a side arm pistol. If it’s light and pierces skulls, it’s fine by me.
I might put laser sights on these, just for fun. And possible bayonets again.
Hand and a half Claymore, and a 10″ hunting knife.
Because I absolutely love my claymore.
I love this next question!
Remote Mines
Claymores (not the swords this time)
Napalm Grenades (I can make these myself)
Metal Storm (If you haven’t heard of this, it fires 1000000 rounds per minute)
M107 .50 (Shoots through tank armour)
A whole selection of grenades
Panzerfaust 3 (for scattering hordes)
A “Corner Shot” rifle (for shooting round corners)
M1014
Throwing Knives (reusable and gives you a weapon you can practise with silently)
Flamethrower
M1 Abrams Battle Tank
A Mace (for smashing heads)
Railgun (if it’s small, round and hard, it shoots it)
Retractable hydraulic knife with lower arm straps
Adam on 13 Oct 2009 at 12:31 pm #
Oh, and a Eurofighter Typhoon.
McLuvin on 13 Oct 2009 at 6:02 pm #
Jesus, sometimes I forget how many kids are on this sight.
I highly redcommend going to a range and shooting some guns.
Just because it is super-cool in Call Of Duty doesn’t mean it is great in real life.
Angryvikingman on 13 Oct 2009 at 10:56 pm #
OMfg! LOL! Yeah, some…
Abbaroth on 14 Oct 2009 at 12:30 am #
First, it is my emphatic belief that when it all goes down, we won’t just be fighting zombies, and unfortunately, my actual weapon choices would have to reflect that. Assuming only zombies, though, these are my choices:
Main:
LWRC M6 in 6.8 SPC, 12″ barrel, 3x reflex sight, laser, tac light, and suppressor. Lower is folding, telescoping stock, selected fire. One 30rd. mag loaded and six spares in my vest.
Reason:
This guy can reach out and touch a zed, with a great amount of traditional stopping power compared to the 5.56 round, slightly lowering the necessity of a perfect headshot every time, and still allowing me to carry a larger amount of ammunition than .308 or 7.62×39. The suppressor allows me to shoot while giving away my position to way fewer zeds. Any zed close enough to find me while using the suppressor is close enough to be dead real fast.
Secondary:
Saiga-12 shottie with bullpup converter, reflex sight, laser, and tac light. 32 round drum loaded, 00 buckshot. Two 12 round stick mags with 00 buckshot and two with rifled slugs on my vest.
Reason:
For when my rifle’s out and things are getting close and ugly. Honestly, I’d like the AA-12 even better, but it’s just way too hard for me to get one. The buckshot works magic on zed heads, and the slugs give me the option of reaching outside of the immediate space I’m in.
Sidearm:
Springfield XD in .45ACP with trijicon sights, laser, tac light and suppressor. 13 round mag loaded with subsonic ammo, 4 spares.
Reason:
By the time this guy sees action I’m probably out of ammo in my main and secondary and trying to get away. The subsonic ammo and suppressor together make an almost silent combination. I choose .45 because at this point I won’t have the luxury of a perfect stance and a secure position, so even a bad shot is taking a lot of zed with it, and most anything this bullet hits is going to hit the ground before (and if) it continues chasing me.
Melee:
Long version halligan tool in titanium alloy. One khukri and one tomahawk. 1918 trench knife.
Reason:
Different applications for both and more options at my fingertips. Halligan tool is titanium so that its light enough for me to swing more than a couple times. It opens doors and many other things much easier than most tools I’ve tried, and works great for splitting zed heads as well. By the time I’m down to the trench knife, I’d be considering using it on myself as seriously as fighting with it, but it does offer some protection for my knuckles as I plunge it into the zed’s spinal column.
Other:
Det cord and as many claymores as I can place before the shooting starts, in concentric circles. Well-trained team to watch my back, also fitted with their weapons of choice.
Reason:
As already stated, det cord has many wonderful uses, and claymores do serious damage. Any zed within the blast area will be too broken up to chase me, and unlike grenades, the focused blast helps ensure I’m not spraying myself with zed goo when it goes off. Finally, a trained, coordinated team working together is much more effective than the exact same people working individually. With overlapping fields of fire and complementary weapons sets and skills, we could truly be a formidable obstacle to the coming hordes.
G-UMan on 14 Oct 2009 at 9:45 am #
no McLuvin what you should say is just because its super easy to shoot a nazi or russian or what ever game you have in call of duty doesnt mean its gonna be the easy in real life so go down to your local range today and start shooting some paper before shooting some meat bags
3ID on 14 Oct 2009 at 3:48 pm #
yeah real life ant like Grand Theft Auto its hard to hit some one when they are moving through in 600m and you see my point that as far as i have been traind and it was on 240B and 50 BMG the targets were man sized silhouette looks like a dot that was through an Aimpoint no magnafacation i took them down it took a couple of bursts (3-5 five rounds)
as for a rifle i shot at 300m that is small and i had an ACOG i still got it though but it was stationary also have been to moving ranges those are tricky and they are only 50m in front and less
Kain - ZAC Weapon Consultant on 14 Oct 2009 at 9:59 pm #
I guess I’d starts with a H&K 416, similar to 3ID, though along with the suppressor, and accupoint. I’ve handled, but unfortunate not been able to shoot it, same with the SCAR, though I almost got to shoot the Masada, now if I knew how the Masada shoot I’d take that, but since the 416 is AR like I’ll take it, less training necessary. Also I’d add on a shotgun mounted under the barrel, not unlike a M203. Why, because I bloody well can and it makes a handy little last ditch weapon to clear a path. Number four buckshot loaded in the shotgun, personal choice there, patterns better than double ought, though out a short barrel I doubt it’ll matter.
As a secondary I’d take an MP5SD. I figure if I had to go CQB it would be a little less ungainly than a full length AR platform. Not really that great of a reason, yes I know, but we are talking unlimited funds and I have a really love for the old girl.
Side arms are sticky. I like glock, I like Sig, and I am truly endeared to my 1911’s. All have their advantages, so it would have to mission specific. That said I likely choose the Sig 226 since ammo is compatible with the MP5, and I find the accuracy to be superior to the Glock. A caveat to the MK 23, that damn thing is about the size of a desert eagle and while I have seen a SEAL put all thirteen rounds on a man sized target at a 10 meters I would sooner go with the H&K .45 Tactical.
Melee combat, I’ll take three thing. One, my bo staff. Six foot wood stick that can work as a walking stick as well as melee weapon, or a probe in high grass, ect. My Ontario Rtac knife, 10 inch short sword like blade, that is at home as a half decent machete or a cleaver, doesn’t do either particular well compared to a dedicated weapon but it works and it’s handy. And a quality tomahawk, for when I really need to split skulls.
Other weapons, I’d take the M79, or one of its South African bastard children with a folding stock, for when I really do need to blow everything to hell. Reason, how many 40mm grenades do you really need at your finger tips? I can reload an over and under shotgun almost fast enough to mimic a semi auto, and a M79 is not all that different from a shotgun, other than a really big bore. Plus it’s a specialized weapon, not a primary.
Also, Angryvikingman, I like the Kama reference, not many people get it, me thinks. Very nice.
Also, if you want cheap and fun way to find out hard it is to hit a moving target, go try trap shooting or sporting clays. I’m partial to the Trap range but I’ve been shooting it for a number of years, State Champion a couple years back. Brag, brag, brag. Anyway, it isn’t easy. You have to factor in distance, the lead on the target(the farther the target the more lead, a bullet might move fast but it ain’t that fast, you have to anticipate where your target will be), Plus the speed of you shot. Yes the speed of you shot, the faster the its going the less the lead compared to a slower bullet. And about a dozen other things, and that’s just for a shotgun. A rifle can bring up whole other problems.
“They won’t get me they won’t get me thought they never cease to try
they won’t get me they won’t get me I would rather fight and die
they won’t get me they won’t get me well my friend will they get you?
when they get you when they get you tell me what are you gonna do?”
Dropkick Murphys – The Gauntlet
prince of paine on 14 Oct 2009 at 11:13 pm #
main weapon
since im all in to bullpup guns i would go with a svds
mostly because it looks cool and has built in mods
secondary
would be some sort of light machine guns or other light weapon, depends on cercumstances
because if i need quick and light fire i can have it when i need it
side arm
would go for a garza 9
because it has a large ammo count and looks cool
melee
short sword or long knife with laser cut edge,and the accesory would be training with the weapon
other…
i would have as much ammo as i could carry for each gun and have kind of grenade shaped like a stake and when thrown it like stabs them,when explodes the main spike explodes out of the main handle thing along with some secondary shrapenal coming from the leftover handle/thing…..also i would have super awesome killer robots….duh robots pwn zombies……lol i am very unknowledgable when it comes to guns….but i can still learn…learn young learn forever…..
Matty-VB on 14 Oct 2009 at 11:26 pm #
Ok. I’m gonna end the argument right here and give it to you straight. This is assuming a zombie attack here in the US and I am in the Midwest.
Primary Weapon
the Ruger 10/22 carbine. .22 ammo will take out zed and it is EVERYWHERE. easy as hell to carry 1000 rounds. magazines for this handy little rifle can be found in just about every home with a gun, and in the midwest, that’s just about every home. Not to mention the walnut stock on this bad boy could bash in a skull in a pinch, and this gun will run forever without cleaning. a little WD40 helps but it will eat thousands of rounds before and if it needs cleaned.
Secondary
my Springfield Mil Spec 1911
If I have to resort to my pistol for zed I’m guessing I’m about screwed. this manstopper of a hand cannon is for dealing with any living that I gotta deal with
Melee
great call on the hooligan, I mean, Halligan tool
And add a knife and a leatherman and whatnot on for the hell of it.
Let’s not forget the number one weapon that should be on anybody’s list, a GOOD pair of running shoes!!!!
This is my definitive list. Thus endeth the sermon..
-Matty VB
McLuvin on 15 Oct 2009 at 12:13 am #
Kain, if you want practice shooting at moving targets other than clays.
Some of the motion targets used in action pistol events are great fun.
Swingers are fast and can be very hard to hit accurately.
Another of my favorites is the Texas Star. It can be humbling.
It’s a whole different ballgame when you only get on projectile.
The plates of a Texas Star make great practice for moving zombie heads.
Ronin666 on 15 Oct 2009 at 2:28 am #
I hate that Texas star! For fun try shooting it with 2 pistols and 2 stars side buy side, you learn how bad you are with the left hand real fast! (bring lots of ammo)
another mike on 15 Oct 2009 at 3:41 am #
Ah, the mighty Halligan Bar. Never met a barricade it didn’t like. Just wish I had a fire department’s expense account at my disposal to buy a set of irons.
When I was talking about my sidearm, I meant to be talking about the smaller bastards and gladius size, around 30 inches but down to the size of a machete or even bowie. Something small and one-handed that can be swung under the shield to remove the zombies legs or over the top to install a sunroof in their skulls.
/be prepared
Faceless on 15 Oct 2009 at 7:37 am #
Anyone Heard of the AA-12? Its a fully automatic shotgun able to shoot over 300 shotgun rounds a minute with no recoil. the gun itself is light weight and easy to maintain with a whole arsenal of rounds that can be shot from it. you can use a standard mag clip or drum.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4ebtj1jR7c
Faceless on 15 Oct 2009 at 7:46 am #
oh and FYI for a handgun its the metalstorm m90. three bullets electronically fired from the gun before the re-coil hits and its jam free!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBAMNJZ8OVo
Angryvikingman on 15 Oct 2009 at 10:04 am #
If you want to learn melee fighting against multiple enemies, you should look up the Katas. If you have kukris or machetes like I do, the Kama kata will teach you how to effectively fight off a lot of enemies simultaneously. A lot of weapons katas can be found on youtube. They help tremendously. There are also longsword demonstrations you can learn the cuts and how to recover without getting hit/cut/bitten/eaten. Learn the traditional ways first, then adapt them to suit you.
Hellspawn on 15 Oct 2009 at 10:25 am #
Personally, Ill take whatever I can get. I live in a fairly residential area, so I figure most of my stuff is going to be what I can scavenge out of abandoned houses. That is assuming, of course, that I don’t get my ass shot off by another survivor.
Kamas
Reason: have experience with them, went to state tournament last year ranked 8th in my sparring class. Dont think the zeds will know karate, so I think that’ll do
Machete:
hack off an arm, a leg, whatever you can reach, it will slow them down while you take their head off
Grenades: if all you have is a melee weapon in a group, you are SOL. If you think about it, even the best fighters can be taken by surprise while hacking away at a zed, especially if they surround you. its best to try to clear the area a bit before you even make contact.
Knives: any kind. if it cuts, then bring it. obviously, a wetstone, or oilstone, whichever the situation yields.
that’s about all I got. the rest is up to common sense, know when to fight, and know when to run your ass of before you get surrounded.
Honestly I know very little about guns, some feedback on this would be great.
Angryvikingman on 15 Oct 2009 at 11:19 pm #
Metal storm is CRAP! You can’t reload it after you fire it, unless theyve made some changes in the last year, so its useless. As for the AA-12 or the USAS-12, which are pretty much the same gun, I have heard of them, but I think I’d much rather take something that I know works(saiga 12) and is on a platform that I am already familiar with. (Basically its a 12 guage AK-47)
As for drums for any kind of weapon, function and fit are solely determined by the user. IF you lube and fit the drum to your gun, then it will perform flawlessly.
As for the 10/22, they are great guns and deadly at 100 yards. I put 10 rounds in a bullseye with mine at 100 yards and could cover them with a nickel. I laugh at people who go turkey hunting and use a 3-3&1/2 inch magnum load when you can drop them at your leisure with a good ole .22lr at over twice the range. As for other .22lr weapons, I have a ceiner conversion for my AR-15 and 5 mags for it. I love to shoot .22lr and I have 2 ammo cans full of it. Not to mention my special reserve of subsonic rounds for my walther with a TAC-65 supressor. I LOVE that gun.
Docwade on 16 Oct 2009 at 3:49 pm #
I like a fantasy-land disco as much as the next guy and there are a handful of posters that ARE familiar with firearms here…I would take a Ruger 10/22 and the equivalent weight of your guys’ loadout in ammo and mags. 100lbs of Butler creek steel lips and 22lr is, well, A LOT of shooting. But to the question:
Main weapon: aks74 with krebs rail, Faux-Point, laser, Surefire.
Reason: It’s light, folding stock, very accurate beyond what I can see unaided, and can handle zeds as well as the occasional roaming person.
Secondary Weapon: the afforementioned 10/22
Sidearm: Glock 34
Reason: It’s robust, accurate, and mag availability.
Melee weapon: I don’t want anything that close, but if I have to, I’d take the older Fusion Tomahawk or a good full-sized crowbar.
DD: Det cord. It’s like a swiss army knife.
Now, you know, depending on what you have read that there’s a possibility that concussion damage doesn’t kill zeds. Also, I keep reading the use of “suppressive fire” here. Are z’s taking cover now? This scenario seems to be in the midst of a level 4 outbreak so, I would imagine fixed implacement battles would be something to be avoided. Mobility would be far more desireable. Hell, I’d take one of those 6 wheel amphib recreational vehicles with a 10/22 and a scope over all the big hardware previously posted — shoot and scoot…shoot and scoot. “50 cal Barrett”? Are zeds driving light armor now too? “2 armatac drums”? I’ll that 18 pounds of aluminum (empty) in the form of Magpuls and ammo thanks.
On second thought, I’d like to have that 6 wheeled amphib (or equivalent fuel efficient atv — I mean…we’re not fighting “z-germans” are we?, a driver, two people to load mags, and 1-2 spare 10/22’s to swap out when they get too fouled. Shoot, scoot/reload….shoot, scoot/reload…repeat.
McLuvin on 16 Oct 2009 at 4:03 pm #
Haha “Z-Germans”
Gotta love a Snatch reference.
Agree on the 10/22 with Lots O’ Ammo(my favorite brand)
Suppress it and you have the best all around zombie weapon available. Keep one heavier gun if you run into human opposition.
McLuvin on 16 Oct 2009 at 4:10 pm #
And by heavier I don’t mean anti-tank heavy. I mean 9mm or .223 “heavy”.
MissKitty on 16 Oct 2009 at 11:48 pm #
I guess I would keep mine pretty simple… An Ak because they are good for just about any type of landscape and are fairly simple to maintain. Second choice would be 2 nine mm and I know I will probably get crap for that because its not long range but I’m good with hand guns. kukuri’s or the chinese sword (cold steel) possibly a tomahawk or two (mutipurpose) for melee weapons and the cold steel are very well made.
Angryvikingman…interesting to know about Montana..I’m fairly close to that border!
Andy on 16 Oct 2009 at 11:59 pm #
Actually, Ronin brings up a good point- what about places where guns are unavailable, and money does you no good? Angry, you should do a discussion topic on weapons inmprov, what do you think?
Angryvikingman on 17 Oct 2009 at 12:59 am #
My mention of supressing fire is for the living and the undead. If one person is continuously firing, and others are running and constantly switching up with supressing fire, then the barrage of bullets down range supresses the endless tide of zombies. Does it not?
I didnt mean to say that theyd take cover, but the living would.
Also, the armatac drum and the host weapon have a dry weight of 8 lbs. Like I said, the gun and 2 drums still weigh less than my HK did when it was empty.
I’ll look into the improvised weapons, and try and get something up before the end of the weekend. My 10 year High school reunion is tomorrow, so I probably wont be posting as I will be drunk with a bunch of my high school buddies while my wife continuously rolls her eyes and sighs aloud.
McLuvin on 17 Oct 2009 at 2:26 am #
Viking, according to Armatac’s website the drum weighs about 8lbs alone. If you look closely at the chart the same 8lb host weapon is used with 30rd mags and drums. The starting weight for the drum mounted gun is about double the weght of the 30rd gun before ammo is added to either. The difference in weight gets greater and greater as they increase the loadout up to 700rds. This alone is reason enough to stock up on 30rd mags and use the money you save to buy more ammo.
Also I believe Docwade’s point about suppressing fire is valid. The idea of suppressing fire is to make the enemy keep his head down so you can flank or retreat etc. Since zombies have no fear they would continue to advance and ignore your gunfire except for the random round that lucked into a headshot. While it has limited use against humans it would be way too much of an ammo waster to be a mainstay tactic.
Adam on 17 Oct 2009 at 8:30 am #
Actually, the suppresive fire tactic would work on zombies. A burst of rifle bullets or a shotgun blast hitting a zombie in the chest wouldn’t kill it, but it would knock it over, where it would possibly trip up others, which in turn trip others over etc etc.
It wouldn’t stop them, but it could slow them down when you need to get away quickly.
McLuvin on 17 Oct 2009 at 9:11 am #
You know what else knocks them down and trips the ones behind them…. Well aimed headshots. It also doesnt waste a ton of ammo and it thins the enemies numbers permanently.
jay on 17 Oct 2009 at 9:36 am #
id just take the british armys sa80 and for my second id have a axe its that simple lol
Angryvikingman on 17 Oct 2009 at 11:04 am #
Well, I do action shooting, and I can take rapid fire headshots. If its under 25 yards and I have on my red dot. If I have on my scope, I can take rapid headshots at 50+ yards. I once put 25 out of 30 rounds into a metal target roughly the size of a 3×5 index card at 85 yards. (With my ceiner conversion in my AR-15) That was as fast as I could pull the trigger. If I was using a saiga 12 and buckshot, the shot will penetrate the skull and keep going, and hopefully killing multiple zombies. For penetration, grouping and other interesting bullet and ballistics facts go to theboxotruth.com. The supressing fire of one person in a 20 yard wide corridor could really slow up a ton of zombies. I wouldnt really go fully auto even with the M4. That IS a waste of ammo, and it will be in short(er) supply. As I have said before, I am a big dude, so I dont lose my sight picture due to recoil. WIth my size and verticle foregrip, I can keep the gun on target long enough to empty the mag, and have used the ammo efficiently.
According to http://www.armatac.com/brochure.pdf
the drums weight is 3.95 lbs. dry. The 8lb figure on the comparison chart is the dry weight of the drum AND the host weapon. Full of ammo its still lighter than my HK when empty. LOL
Wasnt trying to be a dick, just supporting my facts.
KillerB on 17 Oct 2009 at 8:16 pm #
PRIMARY-Full Auto M4 with a Sure-Fire Can, Aim-point, Sure-Fire 9volt light with 12-18 30 round magazines loaded with 28 rounds each. (Standard US Mags with Mag-Pul anti-tilt followers. I would also have an ANPVS 14B NVG with a twist mount for night ops.
I would choose this set up for many reasons but it is fairly light weight. Good firepower against both the living and the undead. I can carry lots of ammo in a fairly small space (Chest rig) And before you guys go off on the full auto I would only use it in extreme situations. But it is a nice feature to have.
SECONDARY- WTF carry more ammo for your primary and handgun. But if I had to choose it would be an H&K MP5K with iron sights. I would keep this close to stock as possible. I would include a supressor for the covert ops. But it would only be mounted when needed so the gun can remain in as small of a package as possible. I would have at least 10 30 round magazines but these would not be carried along with my M4 loadout. This is a secondary weapon so it woud be used where I though firepower was less important than pure moblity.
SIDE ARM- GLOCK 19 all the way. The only thing that I would do to this gun is add night sights. I would have a minimum of 4 15 round magazines on my chest rig and another 4 on my belt. Keep it stock and it will NEVER fail. I would load this gun with 124gr Speer GDHP in a +P loading. No supressor for this guy.
MELEE WEAPON- hard to say I would pick it out as I went along. Probably a short ball bat. or a gurka knife.
AOW or Destructive Device- RPG with 25-50 rockets. This will take out cars, trucks, vans, light armor, crowds, etc. It will be effective against both the living and the undead. The weapon is fairly light weight, accurate at the ranges that count and can be a great way to ambush someone with stuff that you want or need to survive. PLUS just for the pure terror factor it is worth having. You might get other survivors to give up with out having to fire even one shot.
KillerB on 17 Oct 2009 at 8:30 pm #
Sorry I did not read the part about having to carry everything on my person. So i will drop the HK MP5K, and the RPG. I will take an M203 on my M4 along with 20 HEDP rounds. I guess that I would also add a few extra magazines for the M4
Docwade on 18 Oct 2009 at 5:58 am #
I saw the specs on the drum and agree, but if the drum weights 3.95 lbs, what AR/M16 variant weights 4.05 lbs?
Docwade on 18 Oct 2009 at 6:31 am #
Now, I’m not trying to pick an arguement with anyone. Your loadout is your choice. Consider this more a mental excercise as much for my benefit as anyone else’s.
I don’t doubt that there are big’ol hairy chested guys here that can haul a 100 lb load. However, after in a level 4, which is what this scenario sounds like, there’s not going to be power for those protein shakes, and power bars will go the way of the Doo Doo. The average combat soldier hauling 80-90 lbs consumes 4000 to 6000 very specific calories a day. Good luck finding that much man-fuel. Hell, I can haul a 100 lb loadout and I love my Saiga 12 like no other, but history demonstrates mobile firepower trumps slow moving or emplaced firepower.
Also, suppressive fire against zeds? Wasteful. By definition it is generalized fire in the direction of the enemy to decrease their combat effectiveness. To keep their heads down and deny them the ability of situational awareness while your flanking team moves. This is accomplished through fear of sustained fire. Soooo, what you’re saying is you are going to reduce your main weapon to the equivalent of throwing a large rocks — a trip hazard in their general direction. Hydraulic shock and psych response is what knocks people down. Zeds, have neither. I would have to agree with McLuvin here.
In addition, as much as I like optical sights…where do you guys think you’re going to get all them-there-battries?
Adam on 18 Oct 2009 at 7:25 am #
Oh right. I didn’t see the bit where you have to carry it all either :L
In that case, I’d drop everything except my primary weapon, my side arms, my claymore + knife, my throwing knives and some grenades. I’d also carry a small first aid kit with some antibiotics and stuff, and then as much ammo as I can.
Adam on 18 Oct 2009 at 7:33 am #
And after a little research, I’ve decided I would change my primary to an M4 carbine with an M320 grenade launcher.
Docwade on 18 Oct 2009 at 7:40 am #
According to the FAQ discussion, the zeds in question will be like Max Brooks, Zombie Survival Guide. That being the case, you will know that explosive/concussion damage is ineffective against the undead. As much fun as the big boom sticks may be, only head shoots keep you alive.
McLuvin on 18 Oct 2009 at 7:45 am #
I agree on the 4lb weight of the drums. The chart on the website is a little off. However I stand by my statement. If you want a decent amount of ammo, say 750rds, that is 5 of your drums vs. 25 30rd mags. My pmags only weigh about 2oz each which is 10oz for the same 150 rounds that your 4lb drum holds. With a 750rd loadout you are carrying roughly 15 extra pounds. That is a huge amount of extra weight no matter how big you are. Even if you can easily carry it the weight would be better used for other supplies. Not to mention the extra space 5 drums would take up over 25 pmags.
And I would gladly use my Aimpoints until my 50,000 hours of battery was used up. If I turn it off while sleeping and when
I’m not on guard duty it should last about 10 years.
Docwade on 18 Oct 2009 at 8:10 am #
1 year = 8 765.81277 hours
Don’t those batteries have a “use by date” on them?
Docwade on 18 Oct 2009 at 8:15 am #
Also, any battery you have now or will find will not be “brand-spankin new”.
MissKitty on 18 Oct 2009 at 10:21 am #
I wonder if you could create a solar powered one…like a calculator..it probably wouldn’t need much light. I’m not sure if one already exsists or not.
MissKitty on 18 Oct 2009 at 10:24 am #
http://www.opticsbestbuy.com/ZEISS-Z-Point-Reflex-Red-Dot-Sight-Weaver.html
And I just answered my own question.
Adam on 18 Oct 2009 at 12:01 pm #
I disagree with the whole “grenades are useless in a zombie apocalypse” thing. For one thing, you could use it to block a corridor or make an escape hole in a wall, or blow down a chain link fence, or destroy an unarmoured vehicle (if, for example, it’s alarm went off). Also, while they’d be less effective than normal, a grenade in a narrow alleyway packed with zombies would still kill a good few of them. Plus, they’re useful against hostile survivors.
There are hundreds of situations where grenades would be useful.
McLuvin on 18 Oct 2009 at 12:47 pm #
I concede that 50,000 hours of battery life is under ideal conditions with a brand new battery. If my battery is not brand new and the conditions are not perfect it may only last 20,000 hours. However I will still be happy to have it until it dies and I have to switch to iron sights.
I will once again side with Docwade on the explosive weapons. Most people cant carry an rpg with 20 rockets or 50 grenades along with a primary weapon loadout. A spool of det-cord would be infinitely more useful than anything else. For one thing it is much lighter and more compact than claymores and grenades. If you need to open doors/gates, blow holes in walls, etc. the cord is much better. If you encounter hostile humans you can make pipebombs with it easily. I would not waste the cord or the time to try explosives against zombies. The possibility of shrapnel hitting the brain is too small to bet on.
Angryvikingman on 18 Oct 2009 at 6:19 pm #
I wouldnt plan on carrying 5 drums. 2 LC drums, and 2 saiga drums.
If I’m out and I encounted hostile survivors, the drum would come in handy. I agree that standard mags are best, BUT its good to have a backup. A smart enemy would know how many rounds you had, and when to pop up and shoot back.
Explosives. Blowing off limbs is almost as good as killing the zombies because it will limit their combat effectiveness. No legs means they cant chase you, and no arms means they cant grab you.
Explosives used in an intelligent manner can help a great deal. Like setting off a cars alarm to draw them in and them BOOM! huge car bomb explosion kills like 40 and disables another 20. Or have a bait person draw the zeds into a dead end alley, pull him/her up and procede to blow the crap out of them. Firehoses are also a good idea to have around so you can limit the probablility of a great conflagration.
ThreatDown on 18 Oct 2009 at 6:36 pm #
I only need one weapon, an official Red Ryder carbine-action 200-shot range model air rifle with a compass in the stock. I will be able to carry more ammo than any of my fellow survivors with the exception of Angryvikingman, he could probley carry more tank shells than I could carry BBs. My intention is not to kill zombies but to survive. I will survive by shooting the eyes out of zombies so they can not see me when I run to safety.
Yours truly,
June 2008 zombiesarecoming official sticker “Zombie World Expert” winner.
ThreatDown
McLuvin on 19 Oct 2009 at 12:38 pm #
Car bombs usually contain hundreds of pounds of explosives.
That is one hell of a heavy loadout even for a big guy like you.
If you blow the arms or legs off of a zombie they will still do eveything in there power to eat you. In ZSG Brooks recommends not crippling them because then they are are like landmines crawling around in the grass waiting for victims to wander by.
3ID on 19 Oct 2009 at 3:48 pm #
the hole carry every thing on your shoulders that is were you count oz not pounds any body here tried a 12 mile hump with a 55 pound ruck sack m4 and 7 mags that not including water and food it is angryviking man that is a lot of gear to lug i no of personal accounts the only people lugging that kind of gear are SOF personal and those guys are in top phyisical shape i would drop every thing except for my H&K 416 and my Sig p226 and 9 mags for each a camileback and a med kit also i would add to my H&K a trijicon accupiont no battiries and has a 1-4 power zoom and a tango down bipod
Lite, Fast and Quick
3ID on 19 Oct 2009 at 3:51 pm #
also if you include a vehical like a striker or LMTV then you can carry anything you want like a 25mm Bushmaster if so desiered or a godly amount of ammo
Angryvikingman on 20 Oct 2009 at 2:52 am #
Yeah, I’ve done a 25 mile hike with a full pack. My 60 lb pack. I was tired at the end of the day, but I never got winded or had any problems carrying my load. As for ammo weight, let me break it down for you.
2 full mags of Federal .223 55 grn FMJs = 1lb
20 full mags = 10lbs. Thats 600 rounds and includes the weight of the mags.
10 rounds of 12 gauge Remington 00 Buckshot 2&3/4 inch shells = 1lb.
100 rounds of 12 gauge Remington 00 Buckshot 2&3/4 inch shells = 10 lbs.
330 rounds of 9mm ammo weighs 14 lbs.
My AR-15 weighs 6.8 lbs.
Saiga 12 weighs 8 lbs.
So far thats 49lbs.
An M-32 weighs 13 lbs. Thats 62 lbs.
40mm HEDP rounds weigh .51 lbs. x 12 = 6.12 lbs. Thats 67.08 lbs.
My rig (kukris, mag bags, dump bag, MREs, hatchet, FULL canteen, and utility tanto) weighs 12.5 lbs. So thats 79.58 lbs.
2 glock 17s @ 1.5 lbs each brings the total to 82.58 lbs.
2 saiga 12 drums @ 1.7 lbs = 3.4 lbs
Lets round that up to 86 lbs. So, constantly firing, I would rapidly lose weight, making the load that much easier to carry. Carrying around 86 lbs of crap on my loadbearing rig, tac vest, and web belt with the use of drop holsters, wouldnt be all that hard. Now, I know I didnt count in the weight of the saiga 12 mags. I couldnt find a stat on those, and I dont have any to weigh.
This being said, I’m fairly certain that I’m in fact very capable of carrying every bit of what I said I would carry with the exception of the LC mags. As I said, I didnt plan on running.
I could stand to slim down the loadout by a few LBS. Maybe lose the M-32 and ammo. That would put me back down to 67 lbs. which is still more than do-able even for someone of lesser size and strength.
Angryvikingman on 20 Oct 2009 at 2:58 am #
I dont have the nickname “Ox” for nothing, and its not because I’m as dumb as one either. One day I’ll have to post that picture of me lifting the rear of a mini cooper off the ground. Those weigh right at 2,400 lbs.
Adam on 20 Oct 2009 at 11:35 am #
I just feel like pointing out, it doesn’t say anywhere that you’d be carrying it on long hikes. It asks what you’d take into battle with the zombies. If money was no object, i’d have some form of transport to carry stuff in long distance.
KillerB on 20 Oct 2009 at 1:52 pm #
Alright then. If I do not have to carry everything then I will take my 1st loadout and 2nd load out combined+ i will add an LAV-25 with the big bushmaster cannon on top and the M240G with about a ton of ammo. So at least 20,000 rounds packed into the back of the thing and as may 25mm rounds for the cannon that would fit inside. Yes I know that it takes more than one person to use an LAV-25 but that is fine. there will eventually be another survivor that will cross my path and if they want to join my group than that will be all the better. Bsides if you are the last one left around then why would you be fighting in the first place………oh thats right killing ZOmbies is a dream that we all share.
TomFreeman on 20 Oct 2009 at 2:41 pm #
Main Weapon: Crowbar
Reason: Gordon Freeman pulled it off!
Sevandor on 20 Oct 2009 at 7:31 pm #
Angryvikingman, in reply to post 30, might i suggest (or clarify based on your meaning) instead of a populated area stayin gin a more secluded place….away from people, means less zombies. that is the beauty of places like down under, the wide oppen space gives you protection… deserts will starve alot of the Zs. that is a better defence that guns…. melee weapons against 30 Zs is better than guns vs 300 Zs. I agree with your points, i just think avoiding is better than confronting whenevfer possable….it at very least saves ammo
Sevandor on 20 Oct 2009 at 7:31 pm #
Angryvikingman, in reply to post 30, might i suggest (or clarify based on your meaning) instead of a populated area stayin gin a more secluded place….away from people, means less zombies. that is the beauty of places like down under, the wide oppen space gives you protection… deserts will starve alot of the Zs. that is a better defence that guns…. melee weapons against 30 Zs is better than guns vs 300 Zs. I agree with your points, i just think avoiding is better than confronting whenevfer possable….it at very least saves ammo
Sevandor on 20 Oct 2009 at 7:32 pm #
wtf double post? sorry, my bad….my computer must have glitched
A.S.U. on 20 Oct 2009 at 7:33 pm #
As a seasoned member of the A.S.U. Zombie fighting and survival unit, I prefer long range M1 Carbine with a either a laser accessory, or a bayonet on it, so it either increases accuracy even more, or has better close range capability as well. My second weapon could be either the AA-12, if possible, (look it up) or the average sawed-off shotgun. With the flashlight accessory, it is more safe to roam (if necessary) during the night or in dark buildings, where zombies are very capable of hunting. For my other weapon, I would choose a either a light scythe or something else with a long range, as to dispatch zombies at the farthest distance from your body, minimizing chances of becoming infected. And that is also the reason why we frown upon machetes, for their short range.The accessory to that (if needed) would be an easy accessed [large] knife or hatchet, if the zombie somehow reaches beyond your other weapons. Other destructive devices, such as bombs, are not recommended to make before the apocalypse, in case of a search in your bomb storage. If you intend on being prepared, I would stick to hairspray and other compressed air-based explosives. I would strongly avoid armor at all costs, due to the fact that it restricts speed and mobility.
Angryvikingman on 20 Oct 2009 at 11:12 pm #
It actually says,
“Assume that you are going to battle against a large group of zombies, and bringing NOTHING except weapons and ammo that you could carry on your person.”
So I guess you could drive somewhere then get out with all your crap and run back and forth if you really wanted to.
BulK on 21 Oct 2009 at 2:35 am #
Ive played many zombie games and modded them. I finally know what a good weapon set would be.
Main weapon:
AK74-SU
Attachment’s
100 Round Drum Mag,
Kobra Scope,
Silencer,
GP-30 Grenade Launcher,
Laser Pointer,
Bayonet,
Reason: This Gun is Compact, Pretty Light, High Rate Of Fire, Good Stopping Power, Medium Range, Silent, Never Breaks Down Or Jam’s
Secondary Weapon:
AA-12
Attachment’s
32 Round Drum,
Laser Pointer.
Bayonet,
This is the most deadlyist gun in the world. Its basicly a Automatic Shotgun, This will turn zombies into parts at close quaters this is more a last stand weapon.
It has Low Recoil, Good Stopping Power, Good Rate Of Fire, And Is Accurate
Side Arm,
.44 Magnum
This is a very powerful Hand Gun. I would manly go for head shots.
It has Excelent Stopping Power, Its Accurate, And Fairly Light
Attachment’s
Scope,
Laser Pointer
Melee Combat Weapons,
Bowie Knife,
I would use this to take out zombies without making to much noise.
Ammo,
3, 32 Round AA -12 Mags,
5, 75 Round AK74 SU Mag’s
12, 30 mm Grenades (HE) and a few (AP) Rounds
180, 44 Magnum Round’s Exactly 25 Mags For The Magnum.
3ID on 21 Oct 2009 at 8:20 am #
@KillerB you can accuatly opperate a LMTV/Striker or evan a bradly and an Abrams but you will not be able to shoot and scoot you would have to stop fire and then cral back in to the drivers seat which deppending on your size might take a few minutaes
@Angryvikingman well if it was just a gaint Free For ALL angasint zombies i would still travel lighter moblity is your friend shot and move even if it is only a hundered yards try doing an australian peel with 60 pounds of kit (if any of you dont know what an australian peel is look it up) your gear will get in the way having to much gear on you makes you like a tourtis and you can barely move i still like traving light evan if there was no were to go i still would not get winded as fast and it makes for climbing things quite easy try getting over a fence with 86 pounds of kit on your person so my state ment still stand
LIGHT FAST AND QUICK
McLuvin on 21 Oct 2009 at 12:19 pm #
BulK, those are mostly horrible choices. I have said it before, you can’t choose your guns based on games. The AA-12 is a bulky waste of ammo. The Desert Eagle(you said your 44mag took magazines) is too heavy, too powerful, and does not hold enough rounds. The AK-74 is passable but your accuracy for headshots at distance will be hampered, and the Kobra sight should be replaced with a modern Aimpoint or Eotech. Please people shoot some real guns before you post what would be perfect.
Adam on 21 Oct 2009 at 4:11 pm #
This might sound really pretentious, but I think a desert eagle is a horrible choice as a side arm. It’s like using a chainsaw as a breadknife. It just doesn’t need to be so powerful, and it’s heavy enough to be a primary weapon. Not to mention the low clip size.
Now, i’ve never actually fired one, so I can’t comment on the recoil, but i’d imagine it would be much higher than you’d want when you’re trying to shoot heads accurately with a pistol.
Adam on 21 Oct 2009 at 4:14 pm #
Also, Mcluvin, not everyone lives in a country where you can pop down the road to a rifle range.
3ID on 21 Oct 2009 at 5:40 pm #
desert eagle is a gamers weapon they are to heavy and you have to brace yourself for reciol
that like on Call of Duty running around with a Berret .50 bmg like it was nothing yeah roger if you can do that then you should try out for SEALS becase god has nothing on you
also the AK vs M4 debt when it comes to zombie the AR platfrom will win every time more accuaret and you can carry more ammo and when it comes to handguns the 9mm is your best bet high mag count and low reciol plus penatration power the Glock or Sig win the vote i carry a glock 19 as a personal deffeance gun i dont have a sig p226 yet but i do have its big bother the p220 andthe accuarcy on both is very adaquite for what i need them for as for a shot gun 870 500 or 590 those are all great i own a 590 but i got a good price on it and it needs a Durocaot job and some other mods
also need is a good chest rig like Eagle or Blackhawk there are many more but you look at spending some cash
and for those poeple that live in countries were you cant go down to your local gun range an pop off a couple of rounds i will pop off a couple more rounds and then drink a Guinness for you in remberance
A.S.U. on 21 Oct 2009 at 6:53 pm #
Actually Mclovin, the AA-22 is excellent for zombies because unlike humans, they are numb and do not experience pain, so they will usually continue to attack until they absolutely can no longer. And if you’ve actually handled one, it’s not to heavy at all. With it’s automatic ability, it destroys more of the zombies body, reducing chances of not truly killing it. Or is it un-killing it?
Sturmbahnfuhrer on 21 Oct 2009 at 9:36 pm #
M249 SAW: It is the most potent piece of mobile firepower you can have. It is a complete ass-kicker in real life. 1,000 rounds of ammo
Glock 17 with about 6 mags
Baseball Bat
Angryvikingman on 22 Oct 2009 at 12:06 am #
Wonder what flechettes in a shotgun round would do to zombies? Way better than buckshot and has super penetration. Also, what about white phosphorus rounds. Can you say melted zombie? Sure, I knew you could.
McLuvin on 22 Oct 2009 at 1:39 am #
Adam, I’m not trying to be a dick, but if he lives in a country where he can’t shoot perhaps he should be on here asking questions instead of proclaiming he has found the ideal zombie guns.
A.S.U. shotgun shells are heavy meaning you can only carry a limited amount. If you spray a full-auto shotgun at the enemy your ammo will be gone within minutes. And remember you don’t have to turn the zombie into hamburger you just have to put one round in the brain box.
BulK on 22 Oct 2009 at 4:28 am #
If you guys werent so nooby I have fired a .44 Magnum, Glock 17, .357 Magnum, Double Barreled Shotgun, .45 Pistol, 22 250 Rifle, .22 Rifle, .308 Bolt Action Rifle and a Load of others.I live in Australia every AUTOMATIC GUNS ARE BANNED. The guns I build for games are 100 % correct in Recoil, Dispersion, Projectile Speed, Internal Ballistics, External Ballistics, Aerodynamics, Terminal Ballistics, Accuracy.
BulK on 22 Oct 2009 at 4:33 am #
When I said a Magzine for the Magum What I actally meant is the .44 Magnum Drum Shaped 6 Round Clip. I have fired a .44 with a Scope its so freakin powerful it can take your head off over 100 meters.
BulK on 22 Oct 2009 at 4:33 am #
Magazine*
3ID on 22 Oct 2009 at 9:21 am #
@Bulk
but it is over powered you can fire one round accurate but resenting takes more time then a 9mm/.45 and its heavy also limited ammo what do they hold 5-6 shots the reload at least on a 9mm i got 18 rounds with out having to reload
also the guns in video games are very realistic yes i do belive that i play enough to know but i have also humped a 240B 10 miles and that is not a walk in the park as some guy sitting on his coach pushing the A button saying “i can do that its not that heavy” makes it out to be and if you think i am some kid blabing on do an image saerch on my name 3ID (3rd Infantry Division)
McLuvin on 22 Oct 2009 at 9:21 am #
I apologize for assuming you hadn’t shot real guns before. The choices you made were still not good ones. The .44mag is a terrible choice for zombies. Ammo is not available in large quantities, gun/ammo are both heavy, capacity is extremely limited.
Also, I think you are talking about moon clips to reload with.
Angryvikingman on 22 Oct 2009 at 11:37 am #
Low recoil + high ammo availibility + light weight = 22lr.
Thats why my wife has a 10/22 with 5 butler creek 25rnd mags. quad rail, 16 power scope, and a laser for CQB.
I have the 22 conversion for my AR, so when I run out of .223, I can switch rounds and not miss a beat. I just wish there was a better speed loader for my conversion mags. As I’ve mentioned so many times before, I hate reloading mags.
Also, a word on scopes:
For gods sake, get something with an adjustable parallax. Fixed parallax scopes really only work out to about 200 yards. Theyre fixed at 100, but you can adjust to shoot high to compensate. Adjustable parallax scopes are good out to 1000 yards. Well, a lot of them anyway. Spend an extra $100 and get a decent optics system.
jay on 22 Oct 2009 at 2:52 pm #
so where are the intresting topics? no one is really going to carry alot
of crap with them people wanna keep light and be able to run when need be! the only way people are going to hump loads of shit around is by 4×4 but far to noisy
we need topics teaching stuff NOT WHAT IF! angryvikingman come on you know loads of intresting stuff put a topic up about it….live how could we survive a zombie outbreak where would be the ideal place to hold up for long or short periods of time…what would be the best time to look for other people food water weapons etc…………….
A.S.U. on 22 Oct 2009 at 3:29 pm #
True, true. Well I am in the melee and close range combat division anyways so I suppose that I’m not as expert as everyone.
McLuvin on 22 Oct 2009 at 4:08 pm #
You’re in the melee and close range combat division of what?
I’m not aware of any military with such a unit.
I think details of this unit would be interesting for all of us since we will all eventually face the undead at arms length, and ammo only lasts so long.
Stone on 22 Oct 2009 at 4:19 pm #
In all honesty, living in Southern Ontario, I probably wouldn’t be able to find any strong weapons anyway, but here’s my list.
First off, screw guns. Guns are loud, they give away your position. (to zombies and non zombie threats) also, no matter how well you prepare, guns run out of ammo. it’s inevitable.
To me, armour is more important than weapons. I’d go out, get two reinforced leather jackets. High collar. I’d wear them both, one over the other, as well as at least one pair of really strong leather gloves. the reason is, it’s really hard to pierce strong leather with anything but a hunting knife. On top of that, I’d wear a motorcycle helmet. If i could get one, id throw on a police bullet vest. itd be hot, but id stay bite free. The helmet would limit visibility, but nothing’s going to bite through it.
Oh, and construction boots complete with steel heel/toe/plate.
Primary weapon would be a pair of sturdy machetes if i can get them, if not, a pair of long handle steel hammers.
My backup weapons would be pretty much whatever i can find. hachets, axes, steel baseball bats, and sledgehammers would work really well.
My whole way of fighting would be pretty much to wade in and deliver carnage, and hope to god my armour holds up. }:P
I have a secret weapon though. At least a half dozen vials of epinephrine. (remember the movie Crank) It gets too hot for me, i’d inject myself with 10 cc of that stuff, go through the Z crowds like a hot knife through butter. Or, more accurately, like a hot knife through 5 metric tons of undead grey matter. :P I’d regret it later, but it’d keep me alive.
Stone on 22 Oct 2009 at 4:26 pm #
Besides, if I can be protected enough to be virtually bite-proof, i dont need to move quickly, thus i can take my time and not tire myself.
Not being tired + not getting bitten = more zombie kills }:)
3-15 INF on 22 Oct 2009 at 9:00 pm #
Did I jsut see someone mention the Bushmaster 25mm Chaingun?!? Are you freakin serious? Give me a break. Stop talking about weapons that you have no clue how to operate. Can you disengage manual and electric safeties? How about clear a feed chute? Have any idea how to cycle a ghost round?
Let’s get something straight. Don’t worry about fantasy weapons- might as well talk about the B-2 Stealth you have parked in the back yard. Don’t worry about military weapons, anything exotic, explosive(you’ll only vaporize yourself) or complex.
The average guy on this site couldn’t perform immediate action to clear a doublefeed or ftf or fte. Forget about sniping. can you read wind? memorized your ballistic charts, know how to range with a mildot? how’s your dope book lookingt for all conditions? No- sniping is a skill that nearly nobody here could honestly say they are capable of.
That being said, its all about K.I.S.S.- keep it simple stupid. I may not be sexy nbut it will keep you alive.
1. Primary- 12-guage pump shotgun- easy to find and stock with ammo- better for shooting small moving targets like skeet or rotten heads on running zed bodies. Hitting a head on a running zombie at even 50 meters with an assault rifle is nearly impossible and definitely not capable of “one shot, one kill” Carry ammo on a 55-round bandolier.
2. Secondary- Crow bar- great bludgeon and a terrific multitaskerfor scavenging and breaking into places.
3. Sidearm- something simple- preferably a .38 caliber 6- shot, 4 inch barreled revolver with two speed loaders. Get a belt holster with loops for loose rounds.
4. “melee weapon”- wow, what a gamer word- anyway, a hatchet would work great- slip it into your belt when not in use. Will cruch a skull effectively and can be used to chop firewood also.
That’s it. Not sexy or exotic, but is the most practical. Alot of guys will be dumping the Assault rifles in favor of this after a couple of harrowing experiences with misses. Try shooting skeet with an AR and see what i mean. Or let some helium baloons go in a high wind. Ok, that’s it.
McLuvin on 22 Oct 2009 at 9:42 pm #
Finally, someone who thinks before they post. While I don’t agree with your weapon
choices I do like your realism. You have to remember that we are discussing
Max Brooks shuffling zombies and they don’t run. So you should definitely have a good
small caliber, high capacity rifle as a primary. Also the revolver, while simple, is harder
for the average person to shoot well so once again small caliber semi-auto with high
capacity.
Angryvikingman on 23 Oct 2009 at 3:16 am #
Talk about hard to hit, try shooting a running rabbit with a single shot 22 lever action. Been doing that since I was old enough to hunt. I learned early to make my shots count.
As for teaching topics:
Most of what I could teach is already in handy dandy military manuals. Short of showing you a few tricks on how to catch and process wild game, theres not much out there you cant learn by spending an afternoon combing through some field manuals. All of the other stuff I could teach has to be done in person. As for sniping being impossible, I can hit a target at over 500 yards, and I use a mil-dot scope that i range myself. DERP! Heres the equation thats soooo hard to figure out.
Size of the Target (measured in yards) X 1000
Then divide by:
Size of the target in Mils =Range to the Target in Yards
Yeah, windage might be a little trickier, but its never really been a problem. If something is 1000 yards away, it probably isnt going to bother me, and Ive got a 1000 head start on it. If it does come after me, then I’ve got a long time to take pot shots until it gets within range. I may not be military, but just because someone is DOES NOT make them an expert on anything. I realize that “sniping” is supposed to be from crazy long distance, but I know fuck-tons of ex-military people who couldnt hit the broad side of a barn or find their ass with both hands and a map. I’m not saying they’re all like that, my buddy who was 82nd airborne is one of the best shots I know, but thats because hes like me and been shooting since he could hold a rifle. Most people cant hit dick when theyre shooting because they dont take their time, or theyve never been properly taught. Its only those two reasons. Ok, well make that three reasons, if theyre blind.
All I can say is go study, and practice, practice, practice, practice, practice, practice, practice, practice, practice, practice, practice, practice, practice, practice, practice, practice, practice, practice, and then practice some more.
Angryvikingman on 23 Oct 2009 at 3:23 am #
Also, learning the ballistics tables for one caliber on a single type of powder load, and same weight projectile is stupid easy. Just go to the manufacturers website and they usually have them somewhere.
OR
Google something like .223 ballistics table. then find the best result for your ammo, then print the damn page. Precision shooting is something that anyone can learn in a weekend IF they apply themselves. Dont over-glorify it and make it sound all hard to do.
PFFT….
A.S.U. on 23 Oct 2009 at 1:56 pm #
Hahaha military? I WISH! No just an organization sort of like Z.A.P.T., except without the same funds. I started it when I was younger and then picked it back up. We still don’t have to many members, unfortunately. Unlike Z.A.P.T., we are interested in having ’round the world ‘chapters’, and are open to our LOCAL public. Well unless you’d like the drive, haha. So, without the proper funds, we have pretty limited access. Yet, we try our best. My three friends from my childhood specialize in the other factions, or divisions. We left the divisions pretty simple, broad, and generic. Melee/close-range fighting are my specialties, seeing as though I’ve practiced quite a few since I was a child. I also practice drills and how to use guns as a blunt melee weapon. Then there is the gun/long-ranged weaponry faction, where we basically practice how to shoot multiple guns, although we don’t own many. Charts and diagrams, we will have to settle with for now. Maybe making an admission fee would help, but we feel as though the public has a right to free training. And the tech department is how to make weapons with simple household items and such.
McLuvin on 23 Oct 2009 at 6:55 pm #
A.S.U. I’m sorry too question you. I didn’t realize you were such an expert.
I hope you continue to post here on ZAC to give us any information you gain from your elite group.
I will try to get by just shooting real guns without any charts or diagrams. I will try to get some of my childhood friends to start up a chapter of your group in our area.
Docwade on 24 Oct 2009 at 11:57 am #
I really don’t know what to say to ASU. Maybe…”WTF”!
Bulk, just because R.Lee likes the AA12, doesn’t make it the end all be all of shotguns. We all know that’s a Saiga12. Also, they never produced drums for the 74 series of 5.45 ak variants. The only prototype was a Bakelite drum for the rpk74 which never entered service. I own 8 5.45 variants including the ak74su and it it definately not a distance shooter. Games cannot substitute real world experience with fireams. I think there’s about one percent of posters here that have even handled a firearm.
Angryviking, as far as lifting the back end of a mini (please note the weights in the front) let’s see the link…as they say, “meaningless without pics”. Also, I still can’t believe you would stay with those 150 rd drums over their equivalent empty weight in full 30 round magpuls or their equivalent.
jay on 24 Oct 2009 at 1:49 pm #
come on we have got to have abit of sence all you need to do is carry a couple of weapons and enough ammo to see you thru just keep light thats all that needs to be said……….
A.S.U. on 24 Oct 2009 at 9:01 pm #
McLovin, I actually hope that you do question me, as it will help me improve my methods thus far. And that would be fantastic! Thank you, very much. Well, the more widespread, the better! And DocWade, I think that this site is going more towards constructive criticism.
another mike on 25 Oct 2009 at 12:23 am #
@ASU I would strongly avoid armor at all costs, due to the fact that it restricts speed and mobility.
That’s an indication that your armor wasn’t well crafted. Armor that’s properly fitted has no restrictions. I’m back up to normal running speed in my chain, even over distance. I can even swim in it for a bit.
How’s that for questioning towards improvement? Don’t be knocking on armor, it was the business suit of its day.
Hostile takeovers, corporate mergers, aggressive trade negotiations. Medieval battlefield or modern boardroom?
/be prepared
Angryvikingman on 25 Oct 2009 at 11:27 am #
Heres a link of me lifting that mini.
http://www.crackhedz.com/zombies/gear/MINI-LIFT.jpg
You can tell its several inches off the ground because you can see sunlight and shadow behind the tire. This picture in particular was taken the second time I lifted it. Its not the best perspective, but you can tell its off the ground.
Docwade on 25 Oct 2009 at 1:29 pm #
Yep, that suckers off the ground. I’ll give you that. Hell, me and two buddies lifted a 500sel rear end completely off the ground and swung it 3 feet left so we could get our car out of a bar parking lot in Bahrain. I would still like to see an artists rendering of you with all that proposed gear on. I’ve owned the smaller Beta mags as well as the MD arms 20 round saiga drums. I sold them all because they made the base weapon unweildy and threw off its balance.
Angryvikingman on 25 Oct 2009 at 2:52 pm #
Yeah, I’ve been thinking and just hauling a butt-ton of regular mags would be fine. Like I said, I’d Have to make some custom mag bags. Not like its a big problem though. I do have a sewing machine, and camo 1000 deneir nylon is only $10 a yard.
Caleb Hader on 25 Oct 2009 at 9:15 pm #
Melee: umm… lightsaber? no? well then, I guess I’d use my new hand and a half I ordered a month ago that still isn’t here. I think it’s getting customized still, should be here any day.
from here on guns are “hopefuls” in the sense that I don’t have them, but I’m planning on saving up for them.
Long range: Probably a tikka t3, nice cheap accurate little trophy from what I hear.
mid range: either a sr-15, probably from ruger, a bushmaster or remington acr, if it comes out, or a keltec su-16c, if zombies take over in a few months as opposed to giving me time to save up for the more expensive brands I listed.
side arm: thinking about a glock 21, if anyone has any thoughts about it, I haven’t read any reviews on it yet, should probably do that…
secondary melee: medium forest axe, courtesy of ray mears.
Probably also make some pipe bombs as I find materials and keep them in their own dump bag for safety reasons.
Sharpshooter on 25 Oct 2009 at 10:26 pm #
finally posting on this! woot!!!
ok sooo here we go!
main weapon: 30.06
reason: very common hunting rifle therefore more parts and ammo
secondary weapon: probably a 12 gauge shotgun
reason: once again very common gun used in society. police use it, SWAT uses it, military uses it, hunters use it etc etc
side arm: probably a beretta 9 millimeter or maybe a colt .45
reason: VERY COMMON! the beretta 9 mil is currently the standard issue sidearm used by the marines. and a colt .45 is also common with a very nice ammount of stopping power meaning better chance of hitting the zombie in the head and making sure it STAYS DOWN.
melee: crowbar, bat, some form of blunt trauma weapon
reason: reliable and easy to find. go into a sports store go to the baseball section and you’ve got melee weapons for your entire team (5 people preferably but you could probably find bats for as many as 30 people in some of the bigger stores)
any other weapon: well since this would probably be my last ditch weapon i’d aim for like a mass explosive/incinterator weapon. maybe make some kind of theramite grenade launcher? cause i’d probably fuck myself over with that kinda weapon too. wanna take out a few badies with me!!!
EnemyANdy on 26 Oct 2009 at 12:16 am #
Weapon and accessories you would add:
FNH SCAR MK 16 with EOTech 553.A65 sights in TAN
with mounted FNH MK 13
Fenix P3D Q5 in Olive for weapon light
8mags mounted on vest
As many 40mm NATO grenades as i can pack on me.
Reason for the choice:
FNH is a personal favorite of mine and it helps being a weapon approved and designed to meet USSOCOM standers.
Side arm and accessories you would add:
Sig Arms p226 Elite in 9mm with CrimsonTrace laser grips with front activation on right leg with 5 20round mags on left leg
Reason for the choice:
Sig is another personal favorite making some of the most reliable pistols in the world. i like the way they are made and they way they shoot.
Melee combat weapons:
i have designed a mace for this application. sole purpose is for crushing skulls and not getting stuck so it can end multiple Zombies
Reason for the choice:
I made it and it will smush smush the brains!
that is my basic wants that pertain to killing Zombies. there are many other things i can think of and make that would be more of a survival tool than killing! so i didnt list them. the most practical list for killing Brain eaters is any rifle that shoots a round like the .223/5.56 and a pistol in 9mm that is a double stack 15+ in a full size pistol. for melee i think a nice steel hammer head on a stick is great! but a lawnmower blade is nice to. :-p
ThatScoutKid on 26 Oct 2009 at 12:28 am #
well i have almost everything my heart could desire for a small armory. my load out would consist of:
M60 machine gun.
accessories: ACOG sight with 4X magnification.
i just love these guns
i already have my secondary. it is a ruger mark 7 with a 2X-10X leupold scope.
incredibly accurate and rugged. ive had it for 3 years now and gotten quite a few kills with it.it is a 270 which is a common round.
side arm would have to be either a M9 pistol (already have) or a colt 1911 (want one so bad). both have relativly common rounds and are awsome guns.
melee would be a ‘woodsman’s pal’ machete. bit of a short reach but mine has never failed me.
last ditch. me and my friends talked about it. mine would be modified claymores. lots of them.with a package of thermite and C4 strapped to the front. my friends would be birthday presents loaded with as musch explosives as possible. because no one can resist a birthday present just lyin there. even zombies. ok maby zombies. hope you all enjoyed my comment and have a nice doomsday
McLuvin on 26 Oct 2009 at 1:21 am #
Scoutkid, I am not familiar with the Ruger mark 7. I also have a hard time believing you have an M60 with an ACOG on it.
Sharpshooter, the 30.06 is a heck of a round but you are really limiting yourself on weapon styles. It hasn’t been a military cartridge for about a half a century so the best gun you would find for it would be a Garand or maybe a Johnson which starts you with a relatively heavy, low capacity gun from the outset. You are correct that this is a popular hunting round. Downside being hunters don’t shoot much so gun stores will usually only carry limited quantities of ammo for it. You would have to scour a dozen gun shops to stockpile the same amount of 30.06 as one store would probably carry in .223.
Caleb, quit wasting your money on swords and buy a damn gun. Then practice your ass off. I appreciate you at least admit you don’t already shoot unlike all the special forces snipers on here.
Docwade on 26 Oct 2009 at 10:38 am #
“According to figures released by the Department of Defense, the average number of rounds expended in Vietnam to kill one enemy solder with the M-16 was 50,000. The average number of rounds expended by U.S. military snipers to kill one enemy soldier was 1.3 rounds. ” Army Sniper School, One Shot One Kill, By Rod Powers.
Remember, that was 50K rounds per kill anywhere on the body for a lethal zone hit, not just head shots. Which only begs the question, where the hell are you full-auto-rockn’ rolla-types going to find ammo for them-there-M60’s and select fire AR’s?
What’s the purpose of strapping C4 and thermite to the front of a claymore? Any of those three would allow you to at least delay pursuers during an escape.
Sharpshooter on 26 Oct 2009 at 12:48 pm #
@ Mcluvin
thats not really true it all depends on where you live. i live in colorado so it’s FULL of hunters and gun stores. hell where i’m living right now i think only ONE of my neighbors doesnt have a gun of some sort and thats only because he’s a hippie (i’m a hippie too but i aint stupid!) and he’s one of the annoying ones that bitches and moans but never does anything….. but yeah enough about judgements on face value! 30.06 is a very common round around here i should know i have a like 2000 shots. my reasoning to my neighbors who see the inside of my safe is “oh you know it’s easier to buy in bulk and just do it once every few years or so rather then go in every time i’m going hunting and get some rounds.” but yeah i have a new item for my MZPK! military issue longjohns :D these things are so amazing!!!!
jay on 26 Oct 2009 at 2:33 pm #
ive got to LAUGH OUT LOUD about the m60 comment what aload of bull no offence like lol………………………
3ID on 26 Oct 2009 at 3:42 pm #
the M60E4 is i do say a beutiy of a gun but not so much for zombies more like a poeple weapon
Sharpshooter i like to see you stike with what you know 30-06 is a great round but a little to hot for me i would stick with the .223 and the 12ga but hey you say you have over 200 round i say well done not many people on this sight can say they have a 2000 plus round count expect Angryvikingman Kain and my self the only reson i can speek for kian is we know each other and shoot together and angryviking man well he seems like a man that carries 2000+ round and a mini cooper when he goes out to get some milk and eggs
Docwade on 26 Oct 2009 at 3:53 pm #
The way a lot of you say what you say reveals your age and experience…and some of your grammar kills me. Every hour of call of duty has done its evil work.
3ID on 26 Oct 2009 at 5:00 pm #
Docwade unless you hold a PHD in english and can prove it. GO fuck your self its the internet grammer does not realy matter (SAD but true). also my age is 22 and i am a Iraq vetern US Army and am now in collage there is my cradentials. the m60 coment i have never fired one only the 240b and the m249 also the 50 cal., but the M60A4 is a great weapon the seals love them and if it passes there high standereds it must be a good weapon. now you cant hate video games there great fun but at that it does fuck the mind when you take it to heart. So what your saying isvideo games are bad, and well, you also just wiped out all the cheese action flicks and entertaing movies as well. So now i am going to sit down and watch some porn becasuse that is about the only thing your little coment did not harp on.
3ID on 26 Oct 2009 at 5:00 pm #
Docwade unless you hold a PHD in english and can prove it. GO fuck yourself its the internet grammer does not realy matter (SAD but true). also my age is 22 and i am a Iraq vetern US Army and am now in collage there is my cradentials. the m60 coment i have never fired one only the 240b and the m249 also the 50 cal., but the M60A4 is a great weapon the seals love them and if it passes there high standereds it must be a good weapon. now you cant hate video games there great fun but at that it does fuck the mind when you take it to heart. So what your saying isvideo games are bad, and well, you also just wiped out all the cheese action flicks and entertaing movies as well. So now i am going to sit down and watch some porn becasuse that is about the only thing your little coment did not harp on.
3ID on 26 Oct 2009 at 5:01 pm #
*sorry double post SHITY school Computer.
Caleb Hader on 26 Oct 2009 at 5:08 pm #
@McLuvin: ya this is my last sword actually :) I’m planning on a) getting a job and saving some cash up, then b) getting a gun. I have shot a few times and I’m actually not a bad shot. let’s see, so far… I have shot my bro’s m&p 9m s&w, my dad’s hi-point 9m carbine (the newer model stock is a lot better lookin) my bro’s girlfriend’s brother’s 30-06 rifle (never figured out what it was), and my dad’s boss’ ar15. oh and 22’s. Turns out I’m pretty darn handy with a rifle, earning the nickname eagle eye or dead eye from my dad’s boss, as I was beating his shots with his rifle hehe. my pistol work sucks right now however, so I definitely need to work on that.
McLuvin on 26 Oct 2009 at 7:08 pm #
Caleb, handguns are definitely harder to shoot than rifles so you will need some practice
once you get one. I can appreciate the sword as a backup weapon though so you are on your way.
3ID, while I respect your service to our country, your spelling and grammer are atrocious.
I’m not saying it to be mean and I don’t think Docwade was either. God knows my spelling and
grammer are far from perfect.
You also mention your military background as evidence of skill, however most people from the military can’t shoot to save their ass. You may be the exception to the rule, but I have shot with many servicemen and been very disappointed.
Docwade on 26 Oct 2009 at 7:21 pm #
LOL! Now I didn’t mention any names, but allow me to retort:
vulgarity is the defense of the simple mind. To use your most recent post as an example, in the military (for which I too am a veteran), one plays the way they practice; meaning written grammer is merely a reflection of your spoken word. I do not need to hold a PhD to know the difference between good and bad grammer (even less so to know when to use “there”, “their”, and “they’re” properly.
But more to the point, the m60 in any of it’s variants is far too large, cumbersome, heavy, and relatively inaccurate for the task at hand. However, if that’s your dream gun for the zombie horde, don’t let me andy sensibilities get in your way.
KillerB on 26 Oct 2009 at 9:00 pm #
@ 3ID
No i can’t actually drive one i have ridden in the back though. But since we are all dreaming here……….i could figure it out. i am sure that you can get from the drivers seat to the turrett without having to leave the LAV-25- I could be wrong but i think that it am right. So operating the gun from inside would not be a problem. Shooing the big bushmaster cannon………i can figure it out. i mean its not combat against other armored vehicals it is combat against the undead. I will just run them over if i need to. or drive into the water…..the LAV-25 can float…..and that will clear off any of the undead that are hanging on.
As far as my combat load it is not as complicated at angryvikingmans but it will work for killing the undead. i did not choose a 22lr cause there will be plenty of them laying around form all the people who though that they would work to kill the undead with. the RPG-7 can be fired effectivly by a 3rd world 12 year old so I am positive that i can figure it out.
3-15 INF on 26 Oct 2009 at 9:17 pm #
Angryvikingman, I don’t mean to disparrage your skills or anything. I ‘m just making the point that not many posters are considering Murphy’s Law and true reflection of their real life abilities when considering how they’d really act.
Sniping is not the easist skill in the world. That’s why we have highly trained and skilled troops chosen to do it. I’ve served in the U.S. Army Infantry for 9 years and counting and 3 1/2 years of that has been in a sniper section in the 3rd Infantry Division. I am nearing my 5th combat deployment.Taking a center mass shot from 800m meters is pretty unecessary against a zed. A head shot against a moving target at 500m would be exceptional and rarely repeatable.
True, only 1 out of 5 soldiers is a combat soldier. Only maybe 1 out 5 of them is truly skilled with their weapon systems, and even less of them are a talented shot. The same can be said of most hunters or spray and prayers at the range or their back yard. Not saying it’s impossible, just that most guys are know it alls that figure it isn’t needed to practice or learn from others.
I persist in saying self trained through plinking, hunting, watching youtube videos or reading books is not enough. the military is one route but not the only. schools like thunder ranch teach valuable skills that shouldn’t be discounted. My whole point is that you should pick your weapon based on your skill level. Most people are just not going to be skilled enough to keep a semi or auto weapon running for long.
Good po0sts from everyone!
3-15 INF on 26 Oct 2009 at 9:31 pm #
I know your’e a combat vet like me, 3ID, but no, I don’t think you could figure out how to fire the 25mm bushmaster, without training. It’s a pretty complicated system. i mean, it involves alot with a socket wrench, loading belted rounds up the feed chute, nulling drift on the sticks, and such. I’d stick to weapons youv’e been trained on. i couldn’t tell you the first thing on how to fly an Apache, fire an MLRS or a Paladin or any other system I’ve not been trained on. I don’t think it’s a matter of getting inside and pushing buttons. BTW, which company were you in the #rd ID with. I was in Aco, 3-15 INF from ‘03 to ‘09.
KillerB on 26 Oct 2009 at 9:44 pm #
ALRIGHT ALRIGHT YOU GUYS ARE KILLING ME. READ POST #63,64,85. mY FIRST LOAD OUT IS MORE THAN I CAN CARRY. BUT I CAN STORE IT ALL SOMEPLACE OR KEEP IT IN A TRUCK. mY SECOND LOAD OUT IS WHEN I REALIZED THAT YOU HAD TO BE ABLE TO CARRY IT INTO COMBAT, THEN AFTER READING ABOUT M60′S WITH SNIPER SCOPES AND LIGHT SABERS……..I MEAN COME ON……..NO I DO NOT KNOW HOW TO OPERATE A BUSHMASTER CANNON THAT IS ON THE LAV-25 BUT THAT IS WHY I DREAMED UP EXTRA AMMO………THERE IS NOTHING THAT YOU CAN’T LEARN IF YOU APPLY YOURSELF. PLUS I AM SURE THAT THERE WILL BE SOME SORT OR MANUAL LAYING AROUND THE MILITARY BASE WHERE I WOULD HAVE TO GO TO GET THE LAV-25. SO NO 3-15 INF I KNOW ABSOLUTLY NOTHING ABOUT THE LAV-25. WHO CARES I CAN LEARN. I AM SURE THAT YOUR COMBAT EXPERIANCE IS UNLIMITED AND YOUR KNOWLEDGE OF THINGS LIKE THIS IS WITHOUT PEER. I two have combat experiance, gained it in the same desert sands you did. I can run the shit out of an M4/M203. Do I actually own a select fire M4 hell no i do not. I would not leave one laying around though. I do own an SBR AR-15 with a 10.5″ barrel and a Sure-Fire QD Supressor. I can run the shit out of this gun as well. Yes it was expensive and I did not get this set-up for killing the zeds. I would want the 14.5″ M4 to hold a little more velocity and reliablity. Or hell give me a standard 16-24″ barrel on an AR. I don’t care. So while we are all here talking about things that we have, want or dream of keep in mind that there are many of us who have gone through the paperwork and background checks to get weapons that most people will never shoot……….angryvikingman has a supressor for a 22lr pistol…..good choice……probably as quiet as a bb gun……while the can on my SBR AR is rather loud. We all are here to learn……..in the past angryvikingman pissed me off…oh well my anger was unfounded and i gave an appology for my rude behavior…..i feel i was also forgiven………..we are here to learn and these “mental” games will keep us one step ahead of the rest of the world if something like this ever happens…………so CHEERS.
Angryvikingman on 27 Oct 2009 at 7:53 am #
Yeah, forgiven.
And yes, I do have a lot of ammo. (currently over 10k rounds) Mostly 22lr because its a great training round for myself, my wife, and my son. I use it in my AR to keep down the cost of constant training. I’d spend $200 a week or more on .223 ammo at the rate I shoot, and my wife just wouldnt allow that. LOL! I like to keep my ammo cans as full as possible for whatever reason, be it Zombies, Commies, Riots, or the freaking apocalypse.
@Docwade
I agree that foul language is the last refuge of a little mind, but sometimes nothing gets the point across like a good ole F-bomb. Ya know?
Docwade on 27 Oct 2009 at 9:23 am #
Sooooo, what was the point the F-bomb was trying to get across? You can’t tell me that you don’t pause here and there in this thread trying to figure out the creative spelling and grammar or shake your head at the written broken English. When we are all reduced to written notes to convey info between survivor sites, well, maybe we can resort to pictographs.
Angryvikingman on 27 Oct 2009 at 11:55 am #
Yes, I shake my head everyday, but then I realize that these people aren’t me and I can do nothing for their grammar, or spelling. I wrote on here before about the same thing, and after that left it alone. I came to realize that people will be who they are, no matter how well intentioned your critcism is, or how lofty your goals are.
MissKitty on 27 Oct 2009 at 4:17 pm #
Wow, I mean absolutely no disrespect to anyone but I have to agree with Angryvikingman on the part of :that people will be who they are.
I have no doubts that there are some extremly skilled,intelligent,resourceful people that have post on here but honestly its time to put the rulers away! The original post was a great one and yes it got everyone thinking but I think its time to all move on and focus on why were are all here! To discuss zombie preparedness and zombie related issues.
Once again I don’t claim to have half the skills or smarts that many of you so clearly have and I mean no disrespect..but we need a new post.
McLuvin on 27 Oct 2009 at 6:05 pm #
I agree with Kitty. This thread has gotten severely off course. I like to point out peoples flaws as much as the next guy, however I like talking about guns even more. Let’s come up with another topic that lets me think about guns.
How about a vehicle and loadout for a squad of your choosing?
McLuvin on 27 Oct 2009 at 6:22 pm #
Let’s say the loadout has to be things your group owns or can get quick when shit goes down.
Give us an individual loadout per person as well as a vehicle loadout. List your teams skills if you wish.
If you plan on looting your local gun shop you can only list stuff they have on hand currently.
We will have to trust eachother on this. And the first person to claim they can get two
mini guns and an RPG-7 gets deleted.
Just throwing out ideas.
Docwade on 27 Oct 2009 at 7:14 pm #
Well, I know a guy who’s tacticool vehicle, “The Beaver” just go new tires, soooo there’s no use going to the two local gun ranges, I have more guns than both combined.
MissKitty on 27 Oct 2009 at 7:21 pm #
I like this idea although I have one little problem or perhaps it would be better phrased as a question: You mention vehicle which is fine assuming you would have a consistant fuel source but what happens when there is no longer one? (thinking a la resident evil 3)
Docwade on 27 Oct 2009 at 7:25 pm #
How about a wood gassifier like on “the Colony” to fuel a vehicle?
McLuvin on 27 Oct 2009 at 7:38 pm #
Obviously a vehicle may be rendered useless by unavailable fuel.
Many factors play into vehicle choices. If the outbreak is at a global(class 4) level,
vehicles may be everywhere with half full tanks of gas. Stations may be sitting full and just need pumped out.
If the zombies spread very quickly gas would be plentiful for those with the means to get it.
If the virus takes over more slowly people will use most of the fuel before they are turned.
Docwade brings up a good point about alternate fuels, with a defensible workshop much is possible.
Once again I am just throwing out ideas. I won’t even think up my own response until the thread is started.
MissKitty on 27 Oct 2009 at 9:11 pm #
Probably a safe choice, as I said I do like your idea for a thread and I suppose it will open dialouge about alternate sources..actually I’m surprised I didn’t think of it before but one of those hybrid cars might come into play as well…or solar power. I’m diggin your idea McLuvin.
417~TFD. on 28 Oct 2009 at 12:04 am #
Im Not One to ‘Kill things’ But, I’d Most Likly Ditch the Idea of ‘Primary’ Weapons, But, Anyways..
Primary Weapon;
Please, Dont Critisize me, But id Take an AUG.
– Attachable flashlight & Silencer
Secondary Weapon;
Any pistol I can get my hands on. Honestly, I love pistols.
– No Modifications, Please?
Sidearm;
Err, Does that Pistol count? I’d Most likly take a Crowbar, Or go to a Museam and find a Nice, hefty mace. :D
Melee Weapon;
Already Stated. But I’d Probly take an iPod for entertainment, or rock music for Bashing Zombies. =]
DD;
Ima go Almost Completely off topic, and Say;
A Kiyak (Excuse my spelling)
I KNOW THIS ISNT A WEAPON. Assuming Zombies Cant Swim, I’d Row on a Kiyak. (Oars might be a Good weapon, Too, Long Reach..)
The Young zombie enthusiest,
TFD.
417~TFD. on 28 Oct 2009 at 12:05 am #
For when bashing Zombies** Sorry bout that, and Excuse my spelling.
Sharpshooter on 28 Oct 2009 at 12:55 am #
my apologies dude! honestly did not mean to type “2000″ meant “200″. i aint retarded enough to hold 2000 rounds of ammo in a god damn gun safe! dude if i had say a house fire then i can assume that the safe would most likely heat up and once again assume it would get hot enough to set off enough of those rounds to cause some serious questions to be asked!
Sharpshooter on 28 Oct 2009 at 1:07 am #
and the main reason i choose the 30.06 is because thats the gun i’ve been raised around. i dont have the money or the time to go out and buy shit tons of guns. yeah i’ve shot a few other rifles but i can hardly remember what they look like much less the names. i choose that gun because i know my way around it. hand me an m16 and well….. just make sure i aint at your back! it’s what i’m good with. only real gun i have any proficientcy (i know i misspelled that if someone could correct me?!) with! i’m not gunna sit around here and bullshit saying “i’ve got all these guns in my case! i’m a better shot then any of you!” dude if i met 3ID or Kain or Angeryvikingman in an ally way i’d be scared shitless and be hidding behind something!
McLuvin on 28 Oct 2009 at 1:52 am #
Sharpshooter, I like a man that knows his limitations. If we had more people on here that were realistic about personal skills and abilities we could have some serious survival discussions.
On a side note, I was not surprised when you typed 2000rds. I currently have over 22,000rds on hand, and feel a little light in some calibers. Also you don’t need to worry so much about ammo in a fire. It doesn’t shoot off like when fired in a gun. It usually just sounds like popcorn and the case ruptures. The bullet may fly out but not with any real velocity.
Sharpshooter on 28 Oct 2009 at 2:15 am #
iunno. just one of those things i wouldnt be to crazy about finding out about first hand you know?
Sharpshooter on 28 Oct 2009 at 2:21 am #
does anyone know where i could find a cheap gillie suit?! i would love to get my hands on one! and also we need to have a discussion on having good health! a lot of people simply assume they could survive without having to get in shape! post up a section on it! would be a good thing to see right off the bat. we may be paranoid zombie survivalists and hell some of us might be clinically insane! but doesnt mean we cant be healthy! don’t take me as a health nut i’m far from it! i enjoy a nice bag of chips just as much as the next guy! but still damn we need to put a bit of awareness on health too we talk about survival but talk about the pro’s and con’s of just something like which foods to get and why! MRE’s are good but they give a lot of people the shits like a mofo! but most people dont know that. or maybe something like MRE’s vr. freeze dried food (basically astronaut food)! that would be a nice shift in the gears to see..
3-15 INF on 28 Oct 2009 at 4:58 am #
If you want a cheap. good gillie suit, just take a pair of surplus mechanics overalls, sew some fish netting to the back, and shoe goo some green canvas to the knees and belly. Finish off by attatching burlap on the shoulders, back, and back of legs( make sure to unravell it some to make it shaggy and dont put on too much) Take a boonie hat and attach a mullet of burlap to drape over the neck and a veil over the front. Take krylon and spray paint some refined colors to match your area, and wrap some purlap on your rifle(make sure to not leave the big black hole your rifle scope will look like from a distance. Camo your gloves and boots, and shove local veg into the netting on the thing and you’ll ne pretty well camoflaged!
3-15 INF on 28 Oct 2009 at 5:12 am #
You know, I’m gonna say it again, why not? You can actually be so unknowledgeable about a subject that you don’t even know what you don’t know! Nobody should be even thinking of obtaining weapons from a military post.
Weapons are not stored on vehicles. They are stored in the unit armory. Most people would find it absolutely difficult to find a rifle company building. Even if they did, there is a bank vault sized door to get through (crow bar won’t do it). Once you get in there, it will do you fuck all because the ammo is stored at the Ammo Supply Point- find that place without help- and yet another bank vault sized door.
It would take weeks of hands on training to run alot of these weapons and maybe very hazardous to your health (firing a .50 cal with the headspace wrongly measured will end up with a gun that explodes). I was a M242 gunner for 2 years and the only manual i ever saw was for PMCS, not operation. Just a matter of not being able to put the thing together, not knowing which way the rounds go in, or which cable goes where would render the weapon inop.Doing all this on a military base full of zombies seems like a complete waste of time.
Just use whatever weapons your’e already skilled at and are comfortable with. Don’t worry about the rest. If you are an absolute master of the M4, your’e already better on it than most people in the military and that is the perfect weapon for you. BTW, killerB, thanks for your service, bro. Wish more would answer the call. Peace.
KnightsCross on 28 Oct 2009 at 8:20 am #
Best Zombie Killing Guns You Can Get!
Main weapon:
Wunderwaffe DG-3 JZ
Secondary Weapon:
Porter’s X2 Ray Gun
Side Arm,
.600 Nitro Express Magnum
Melee Combat Weapons,
Bowie Knife,
3ID on 28 Oct 2009 at 3:32 pm #
i was in the 2 BCT out of ft Sewart my company was 1-30 INF HHC Mortars i was in OIF 5
3ID on 28 Oct 2009 at 3:41 pm #
Sniping is out of the Quation your not going to take a shot over a 100 yards well at least i wont my AR is great but it is just a combat rifle it can go farther but under stress good luck trying to shoot a head size target at 100 yards when your adreniline is up and your heart is beating to me if a zed is more than a hundered yards a way i will not even bother i would just aviod it until it came in past that hundered yard range then i am putting a round though its head
3-15 INF on 28 Oct 2009 at 7:13 pm #
Small world. 3-15 INF was reflagged as 1-30 INF in 2006, must have right before you showed up. I was in your company in OIF III and went to A Co in 2006 into a squad leader slot. We were in the same places in last deployment, especially PB Murray. I’m a PSG at Bragg in 82nd now. I probably know you- I knew most of the NCO’s at least in Mortars.
I got shot in Sadr City in Mar 2009, and met the rest of the battalion when you all went home! I was in the battalion for six years and really miss the place. White, Moore , and Panasyuk (the mad russian) were some of my best friends. Glad to hear your’e using your college fund. Hooah!
3-15 INF on 28 Oct 2009 at 8:07 pm #
march 2008, i mean
ThatScoutKid on 29 Oct 2009 at 8:48 pm #
mcluvin regarding your comment on mine, no i have not ever fired an m60and i dont own one but i would love to. the mark 7 does not exsist your right that was a mind fart on my part. its an M77 mark II. and this is just a discussion about what i would want for zday. why dont you go critisize the kid with 50. cals nades and m1 tanks
dilan c.
brookings OR
ThatScoutKid on 29 Oct 2009 at 8:49 pm #
and sharp shooter try cheaper than dirt. they have alot of nice shit
McLuvin on 29 Oct 2009 at 10:08 pm #
Scoutkid, you started your post by saying you have almost everything you would need
and your loadout would be an M60 with ACOG. That sounds like you are saying
you have an M60 with ACOG. I was not really calling you out I just wanted a picture.
I know people who have M60’s, M240’s, and mini’s so it would not surprise me if you
had one I just wanted proof.
ThatScoutKid on 30 Oct 2009 at 3:37 am #
oh im sorry for the misunderstanding. no no i just love them. at least how they look. i have no idea how good they actually are. but the military used them for so long they must have somthing going for them.
Kastraynator on 30 Oct 2009 at 3:52 am #
dont know if vehicles are part of this but if they are an amphibious APC armed with a 30mil bushmaster cannon. if not
Main weapon M14 with double pistol grip
accurate at range packs a good punch and the round isnt to to rare.
12 guage pump action shot gun double pistol grip and a folding stock
the 12 guage is just a great weapon dont really need much of a reason for this
Side arm the Taurus .410 revolver
by far one of my favorite hand guns i just love the stopping power of a .410 slug
Melee a thin 6 in long knife double edged with no serations or anything so it will go into the eye socket and not get stuck. and a hatchet which doubled as a tool
Any other weapon or destructive device
some C4
Kastraynator on 30 Oct 2009 at 3:53 am #
don’t know if vehicles are part of this but if they are an amphibious APC armed with a 30mil bushmaster cannon. if not
Main weapon M14 with double pistol grip
accurate at range packs a good punch and the round isn’t to to rare.
12 gauge pump action shot gun double pistol grip and a folding stock
the 12 gauge is just a great weapon don’t really need much of a reason for this
Side arm the Taurus .410 revolver
by far one of my favorite hand guns i just love the stopping power of a .410 slug
Melee a thin 6 in long knife double edged with no serrations or anything so it will go into the eye socket and not get stuck. and a hatchet which doubled as a tool
Any other weapon or destructive device
some C4
Angryvikingman on 30 Oct 2009 at 8:56 am #
Gonna want a melee weapon longer than 6 inches there sport…
Youre gonna want something AT LEAST 15 inches for melee.
McLuvin on 30 Oct 2009 at 5:02 pm #
I don’t know why you love pistol grips so much. A forward grip on a pump shotgun
seams ungainly. Don’t even get me started on the Taurus Judge POS.
big joe on 31 Oct 2009 at 5:35 pm #
i bet at least half the people on this site have never touched a gun.
i would take my remington 870 speacial purpose shotgun. light weight, powerful, and reliable. the guys 700 years ago were better defended against zombies. 50 foot high castles, arrow barrages, there is no way zombies could get in there
ThatScoutKid on 01 Nov 2009 at 1:26 am #
because pistol grips are awsome…
Kastraynator on 01 Nov 2009 at 1:33 am #
6 inch would be minimum. would prefer a 8 or 9 inch. they wouldnt really be for melee they would be for in the worst case a zombie is on top me i would use it to stab it in the eye or temple (and perhaps for throwing although i would need practice in that since i have never used a throwing knife in my life). for melee i would go with a hatchet or tomahawk.
i find pistol grips offer better control over the gun and help keep the it from rising. i wouldn’t go with a pistol grip at a longer range gun i would just prefer it for a medium to close range weapon
McLuvin on 01 Nov 2009 at 6:24 pm #
You list double pistol grips on your m14. I think that qualifies as a long range weapon.
The muzzle rise you talk about shouldn’t be an issue when you are taking aimed shots.
It only becomes an issue with rapid fire which is useless against zombies.
Kastraynator on 01 Nov 2009 at 7:53 pm #
i didnt really expect to get in a argument about something so minor. really its just personal preference. i like the double pistol grips it works for me. i find i get better accuracy with it. if you don’t like it that’s fine with me
McLuvin on 02 Nov 2009 at 12:19 am #
No argument, i just like to get inside peoples heads to find out why they choose certain things.
Montyy on 03 Nov 2009 at 1:21 pm #
I’m no soldier, superhuman or an ox of a man so i wont bother with a loadout I couldn’t either carry or obtain.. I am on the other hand an avid shooter (skeet/clay pigeon, game, water fowl, deer stalking etc.) so I am proficient with a firearm (shotguns & bolt action rifles – ’cause thats all we’re allowed to own in the uk) so i’ll base my decision on what i have to hand and could use if there was an outbreak right this second!
Main weapon;
Escort Magnum – 24″ Barrel (Shortest legally obtainable barrel in UK) 5 shot autoloading shotgun.
[This was a tough choice as I also own an 8 shot mossberg 500 but I came to the conclusion that although on paper it would be the more reliable and better option that I’d go with my Escort based on the facts that it’s surprisingly light (synthetic stock & fore end), I find it much more comfortable and can shoulder the weapon and put it on target from a relaxed position much quicker than my mossberg.
The recoil is greatly recuced due to the gas system it uses, even with 3 inch cartridges.
Although it requires a little more care and attention it has always been completley reliable and has never jammed on a day out shooting before.
And finally my mossberg has a 28″ barrel which is obviously less manourveable, I know someone will say I could saw it off but I’m sorry, whos got time to mess about with hacksaws in the zombie apocalypse?
Secondary weapon;
.243 Weatherby bolt action rifle – scoped (3-9×40) – 5 shot – fixed mag – Chosen over my Sako .308 due to weight and the fact that I have a large stockpile of ballistic tipped ammunition for the .243, anyone who stalks deer in UK (not sure if they are legal/commonplace elsewhere in the world) will understand the insane amount of damage caused by this type of ammunition as the bullets fragment inside the target rather than exiting it in once piece.
Sidearm;
Handguns are not legal here so I could only aquire one potentially from a corpse somewhere.. I could only hope for something with a decent magazine capacity in a common caliber and preferably autoloading.. A Browning Hi-power would do just fine.. failing that anything in 9mm/.45ACP or .38 Special purley because ammo would be easier to find.
Melee Weapon;
Ive got a nice little Estwing hatchet which would do just fine for hacking at limbs or cracking skulls!
Any other weapon;
I couldn’t shoot three weapons at once anyway so I cant really see the point in carrying a fourth, it’d just slow me down.
Montyy on 03 Nov 2009 at 3:14 pm #
And just a question, in regards to the first post by vikingman..
Although actually carrying all of what you’ve listed seems questionable even for the biggest of people..
Where would you actually keep those 2 double drums, 20 m4 mags, 10 large glock mags, 100 shotgun shells and 6 grenades? I think you’d be so loaded out with all that crap you wouldnt even be able to move your arms let alone manouvre in a way that allows you to make effective use of any of your weapons or switch between them? I know this first hand as something as simple as wearing too many layers on a cold day out shooting pigeons has hindered me in shouldering my weapon quickly and on target, let alone 1342 rounds of ammunition. Surley simple things like going from a crouched position to standing or prone or any combination of the 3 would be near impossible.. and if you ended up on your back? God help you, i’d imagine the scene would be reminiscent of a turtle on its back..
Montyy on 03 Nov 2009 at 4:20 pm #
And AGAIN aimed at vikingman in regard to your post mentioning your 10/22 with a 16 power scope? Considering you seem to talk like you know everything about everything.. Why would you put such a massivley powerful scope (generally used for field target shooting) on a gun that is useless beyond 100 yards? Even when im out stalking deer with .243/.308 shooting generally at ranges anywhere between 200 up to 500/600 yards, although generally its around the 300/350 mark ive never got my 3-9×40 turned up 6x.. usually 4x though if its under 400 yards..
Angryvikingman on 03 Nov 2009 at 4:55 pm #
Why does everyone seem to try and single me out then I have to post a long ass reply to answer everything and cite facts that people have to go look up and check and blah, blah, blah…
Jesus….
Here we go…
First, my load out. Just on my CURRENT assault rig, I have an 8 inch tanto, coldsteel kukri machete, a rothco hatchet, dump bag with 2 MREs, 2 mag bags that hold 6 AR-15 mags, one that holds 3 AR-15 mags and 2 hang grenades. (I have 20 mags total for my AR-15.) ON TOP of that I wear my A.L.I.C.E. pack with all kinds of goodies in it. You can go to my youtube channel if you want to see all of that. youtube.com/Theangryvikingman
Since that video I’ve added a shotgun scabbard from Cheaperthandirt, which houses my mossberg 500A. I’m sure you can scour the recent posts to see pictures of all of my crap. I can haul all of that ALL DAY LONG on hikes, camping, ect. Yes, that includes ammo for shooting the whole time I’m in the woods. In all of that I can shoot from any position, even prone, and I have no mobility issues.
Since I wouldnt be wearing my pack in this scenario, and I changed my load out for the saiga to 12 round mags instead of the drums, I can easily make mag carriers for them and sew a nylon strap on there and make it a shoulder bag, or add parachute clips for a drop leg bag. Not a problem. Same thing for the CL Mags if I wanted those, and the glock mags. Just because YOU see no way to do it, doesnt mean it can’t be done ergonomically. Its not like I could just wear a M.O.L.L.E. tac vest and take care of almost all of that as far as some of the saiga mags and the pistols and pistol mags.
Now, the scope. Its VARIABLE POWER, so I can go from 1x-16x, and its Mil-dot. Yeah, may not be shooting past 100 yards, but I can hit a running rabbit in the eye with it. I got 2 of them for a really good price, so I put one on my AR-15, and one on my wife’s 10/22 since I already have a good scope on my bolt action. The 10/22 is really only used for punching holes in paper anyway, so WTF does it matter what kind of scope I have on it?
Angryvikingman on 03 Nov 2009 at 8:47 pm #
As for the grenade pouch for the 40mm launcher:
http://www.uscav.com/Productinfo.aspx?productID=17359&TabID=1&CatID=75
So yeah.
And, saiga 12 mag pouches can be found at thevestguy.com just gotta scroll down the page. Its below some of the P90 stuff.
Speaking of which, the P90 would make a great weapon for the zombiepocalypse. 50 round mags and really compact size.
Kain - ZAC Weapon Consultant on 03 Nov 2009 at 11:43 pm #
Lol, well Angryvikingman now you know how I feel, and why always seem to have page and half long posts. It’s in the job description, I assure you.
Anyway, the p90 would be a great zombie weapon, so would the FN 5.7. The issue that comes up is ammo availability, after the apocalypse you just won’t be able to find the ammo in great quantities, not compared to .223 which is NATO standard. Personally I’d love to get my hands on the Knight’s Armament’s 6×35 PDW and do some testing on that. You get something which is slightly larger than a MP5 and is ballistically, at least in theory, a 300 meter long round out of an eight to ten inch barrel. That said, I doubt it’s nearly as accurate as an AR15 at that distance but I’d like to put it to the test.
And Angryvikingman, what scope do you have that goes from one to sixteen power, plus with mil-dot? I just put a Bushnell hunting scope on my FN .308, three to nine variable, works pretty good, if I do my job at least.
“They won’t get me they won’t get me thought they never cease to try
they won’t get me they won’t get me I would rather fight and die
they won’t get me they won’t get me well my friend will they get you?
when they get you when they get you tell me what are you gonna do?”
Dropkick Murphys – The Gauntlet
Angryvikingman on 04 Nov 2009 at 12:17 am #
Sorry, I’m a tard. its 4-16 power with mil-dot. Not 1-16. Its a center point.
Sharpshooter on 04 Nov 2009 at 12:54 am #
due to my highly limited gun knowledge this is gunna be a retarded question but…
isnt the AR-15 just the civilan name for the mil-issue M16? as far as i can understand they would have different barrel configuations or whatever so police could tell which one it was shot from (the AR-15 or M16) right?
ThatScout on 04 Nov 2009 at 4:00 am #
what do you guys think of the remington model 710? i have a bushnell 3X-9X scope on it with a sythetic stock. its the kind with a detatchable box mag on it. its in 7mm and im getting a folding bipod for it. im thinking long ass range sniping weapon
ThatScoutKid on 04 Nov 2009 at 4:01 am #
what do you guys think of the remington model 710? i have a bushnell 3X-9X scope on it with a sythetic stock. its the kind with a detatchable box mag on it. its in 7mm and im getting a folding bipod for it. im thinking long ass range sniping weapon
Angryvikingman on 04 Nov 2009 at 10:01 am #
No, the AR-15 is just semi-automatic. The only difference is some internal components. Narrels are the same. I could put a 10 inch barrel on my AR-15 if I wanted to. I’d just have to pay the tax to sbr it.
McLuvin on 04 Nov 2009 at 10:07 am #
Scoutkid, the 710 will do fine for a long range weapon. They were never known as precision rifles but out to a couple hundred yards you should be fine,
Kain - ZAC Weapon Consultant on 04 Nov 2009 at 12:39 pm #
As an old shooting coach once told me, it’s not the arrow it’s the Indian. Most decent rifles will do just fine out to 300-400 meters, given good ammo, and provided that the shooter does his job. But, I can’t speak to the rifle in particular, pretty much because I’ve never heard of it. That said, I do know a few people who just plain cannot shoot, or they expect a cheap rifle with a POS scope and junk ammo to shoot one hole groups at two hundred meters. Play with the rifle a little and see what it’s capable of and what ammo it likes is all I can say. Though one question, are you going to try to do a barrel break in?
“They won’t get me they won’t get me thought they never cease to try
they won’t get me they won’t get me I would rather fight and die
they won’t get me they won’t get me well my friend will they get you?
when they get you when they get you tell me what are you gonna do?”
Dropkick Murphys – The Gauntlet
Montyy on 04 Nov 2009 at 12:59 pm #
Couldn’t agree more about kain’s comment regarding ammunition..
Take my Sako .308 for example.. put a remington or winchester round through it and it shoots round corners.. Yet if i stick to Federal, it’ll happily put 3 rounds through the same hole anywhere out to 350/400 yards..
And as for NATO 7.62? Well I bought a 100 rounds of NATO ammunition before, because it was cheap and the owner of my local gunshop wanted to get rid of it.. My god, I have never used such bad quality ammunition.. I was so unhappy with it I pulled the heads off a few and weighed the powder.. and found as much as a 4/5 grain difference between some of the cartridges.. would avoid military ammunition at all costs because it is always made by the lowest bidder and was never intended to meet the same standards of consistency that civillian hunting ammunition is.
3-15 INF on 04 Nov 2009 at 8:46 pm #
The 710 is fine as long as your’e not expecting a tack driver. If you fired BTHP match ammo, you might be able to get 2 MOA or better.
ThatScoutKid on 04 Nov 2009 at 10:39 pm #
yo angryvikingman i subscribed to your youtube channel. i liked your dual wield vid haha
McLuvin on 05 Nov 2009 at 3:38 pm #
Viking, I checked out your youtube videos and I have some questions.
Some of the things in your kit seem redundant. Why 5 pairs of backup pants? Do you plan on having alot of accidents? How come 2 mess kits or even one for that matter? Are you aware you can eat those MRE’s directly from the pack? Are you planning on weaving some sort of zombie proof net with all that damn paracord? And one final question, did you get winded unpacking your gear? That makes me question this legendary stamina you keep mentioning Ox.
Angryvikingman on 06 Nov 2009 at 12:03 am #
I wasnt winded. I had to use my phone. I had to hold it close to my face to see what the hell I was filming, so you can hear my breathing.
I have mess kit(s) so that I can cook if I need to. That mess kit actually has several pots and a cup inside of it aside from just the plate/skillet thing. I also carry an 8 inch cast iron skillet. And you can use paracord for anything. As I have mentioned numerous times I trap a lot when I’m out camping, and paracord is great for that, making a clothes line, hanging your bag, extra boot laces, ect. Dont bitch about me having too much, because I’d rather have more than I need than not enough. As for the pants, who cares? Its my shit to carry, if it gets too heavy I can dump stuff. Thats just generally what I carry. It gets changed around for different situations.
Dreadnought on 06 Nov 2009 at 6:38 am #
Well lets see here
Primary weapon
30.06
Not the best weapon i know, but it’s the best gun I’ve ever used
Secondary weapon
.22 revolver
Now my main reason for this is, the revolver would be for close encounters right? So power is not necessary. And the beauty of .22 rounds is that they have enough power to enter the skull but not enough to exit (usually) instead they bounce around inside and mush the brain all to hell. Not to mention ammo availability and light mass.
Melee
now here’s where things get intresting
First choice would be a f lb sledge with a 12 inch haft, good and fast for close range
Second would be a 10-20 lb sledge with a 4 foot haft ( I’m kinda short so the traditional 6 foot haft is impractical) This gives me something to fight off the Zeds from a safer distance. And the true beauty of using sledges is that you can find them any where and they take NO maintenance what so ever. Not to mention a good heavy sledge will open doors on the fly. ;}
Also just because I’m in love with it, I’d carry small cold Steele Parang (sp?) for basic survival and close quarters work.
Special
And given the chance, a full suite of chain maile, and a sturdy shield of some kind. Also a good full face biker helm
Because Like someone stated earlier a well made suite of Armour will barley slow the owner and make you more (not totally bite proof) And the helm has more than just bite protection in mind, it also protects you from virus carrying blood splatter.
P.s.
i don’t really know a great deal about firearms so if I’ve made any mistakes please correct me, frankly if you don’t I’ll never learn. also if you have any other suggestions for easy to use and maintain rifles, pistols, ect please I’d like to hear them.
P.s.s
please forgive any grammar or spelling mistakes, I have mild dyslexia and tho I try to hunt down my mistakes I can’t always find them.
Dreadnought on 06 Nov 2009 at 6:40 am #
damn sorry 5 lb sledge not f pound, lol
McLuvin on 06 Nov 2009 at 9:02 pm #
Well, like you said, this is only about weapons and ammo. But the topic implies weapons that you can purchase if money is no object. I doubt if anyone’s kit is going to be adequate first go ’round….well, except mine of course. However, you can tell the vast majority of posters on here have barely any experience with the weapons they would choose. Hell, I own an RPD, but I wouldn’t tote that into battle with zombies (as cool as it is in COD).
Docwade on 07 Nov 2009 at 12:19 pm #
I own one also. I made an ultra short rail to replace the rear sight and mounted a Doctor optic knock-off to it. Looks pretty sharp, but I think I will swap it out for an ATN compact.
Semper Cogitant on 10 Nov 2009 at 5:55 pm #
.22LR has a lot going for it. I’ve read that more homicides are committed with .22LR that all other rounds combined.
The problem is that it won’t always penetrate the skull. If round hits off center, at an acute angle, it may just slide over the skull. There are many documented cases of people putting a .22 to their head, pulling the trigger, and getting nothing but a headache and a 3 day stay in the local psych ward. The longer the range the worse the problem.
McLuvin on 11 Nov 2009 at 4:46 pm #
Dread, the .22 is an excellent choice. With any cartridge shot placement is key. It was mentioned that the .22 won’t always penetrate the skull. However, this is true with almost all rounds. The skull is hard to penetrate with any cartridge if you don’t hit it straight.
I would recommend going with a good semi-automatic though. It usually holds more rounds and is much faster to reload.
Also, for speed I would look at a large ballpeen hammer instead of the 5lb. sledge and maybe an 8lb sledge for the larger. If you go too heavy each swing throws you too far off balance and wear you down faster.
Kain - ZAC Weapon Consultant on 11 Nov 2009 at 5:08 pm #
True a .22 won’t always penetrate, but since you should be able to carry more rounds per pound, it’s a trade off that is worth it, to degrees. Plus, you can’t shoot a squirrel or rabbit with a .223 and have anything left to eat. Though with anything rim fire, especially it seems .22lr you will have misfires, Remington Thunderbolt seems to be bad for this as of late, but for practice that’s fine, it’s good practice to clear either jams, or failure to fires. I love .22s personally, own seven of them, four pistols and three rifles, not bragging mind you.
Also, a .22 has the advantages of being easy to learn to shoot and cheap to shoot, even with the prices of ammo in today economy. If you’re looking for a good .22 automatic go buy a Ruger 10/22, about $200 dollars and with a set of Allen wrenches you can turn the rifle into just about anything that you want it to be from just a plain jane plinker to a tactical abomination. And for high cap mags go with the steel lips, they’re about the best ones going, though they aren’t cheap, not like AR mags, unfortunately. Also, I want to put my hands on a couple of the new 50 rounders, can’t remember the name, there are suppose to be just as reliable as the factory ten rounders with five times the capacity, problem it they are damn near five times the price too.
“They won’t get me they won’t get me thought they never cease to try
they won’t get me they won’t get me I would rather fight and die
they won’t get me they won’t get me well my friend will they get you?
when they get you when they get you tell me what are you gonna do?”
Dropkick Murphys – The Gauntlet
ThatScoutKid on 12 Nov 2009 at 4:59 am #
you talkin about the promag 50 round drum? ive heard terrible reviews about those things. they got them on cheaperthandirt.com
Angryvikingman on 12 Nov 2009 at 6:52 am #
There are now 50 round stick mags for the 10/22, not just the crappy promag drums.
Kain - ZAC Weapon Consultant on 12 Nov 2009 at 10:59 am #
No it’s not the promag, I don’t think they are running 80 bucks, it’s I believe the mwg magazine, one link I found that had the mag I was talking about http://www.rimfiresports.com/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=RSC&Product_Code=MWG022050
I’ve probably seen the promag but this is the one that I’ve through the grapevine and a few friends who have connections in the industry say this is the one that is the best one out there, I truthfully can’t say, haven’t used it yet. And of course there is the question of why you need it, but its like the beta mag, because you can. And in reality, for those who are reading this and going 50 or a 100 rounds are over kill there is a company that is make a 500 round mag for the 10/22, yes 500 rounds they call it the brick, now that I will say is overkill-ish.
You can see the company here, though only god knows when the mag will hit the market, and I don’t know if I really want one. http://www.rhinoarms.com/comp_info.php
“They won’t get me they won’t get me thought they never cease to try
they won’t get me they won’t get me I would rather fight and die
they won’t get me they won’t get me well my friend will they get you?
when they get you when they get you tell me what are you gonna do?”
Dropkick Murphys – The Gauntlet
Hugh on 12 Nov 2009 at 7:07 pm #
Primary Weapon
G-36E 5.56 with tac-light and AR-15 4x tactical scope. 8 STANAG mags (30 rounds each 240 rounds total)
Reason For Choice
I’d want this because stopping power means nothing against zombies, what’s important is penetration and accuracy so you can get that head shot and the G36E has plenty of both. I’d use it mainly as a sniper’s rifle by setting it to single fire. I wouldn’t get an actual sniper because almost all the zombie fighting would happen in cities. Even though my goal would be to get to the country ASAP, once I was there I wouldn’t encouter many zombies and even if I did, as long as I stayes hidden at night, they woold be easy to spot and avoid during the day. So I pick a long-range assualt rifle for ergonomics.
Secondary Weapon
Minimi 5.56 with tac-light and laser sighting. 4 M27 feed belts (100 rounds each, 400 total)
Reason for Choice
I’d want this in case I came up against a hoard or was forced to engage at close range. Similar justification as the G-36, stopping power can be traded for accuracy and penetration against zombies.
Side-Arm.
G-31 .357 with tac-light. 5 G-31 mags. (13 rounds each, 65 total)
Reason for Choice
The G-31 has range, accuracy, clip-capacity and penetrating power. The perfect anti-zombie handgun.
Melee Weapon. 4ft Damscus steel longsword, with tungsten carbide re-enforcements.
Reason for Choice
The perfect weapon for beheading at close range, beyond reproach.
Other Destructive.
16 sticks of blasting gel with mercury fulminate detonators. Great for blocking and creating paths in an emergency.
Angryvikingman on 13 Nov 2009 at 5:38 am #
500 round mag? I think I just came in my pants….
ThatScoutKid on 13 Nov 2009 at 12:33 pm #
oh i should look into one of those
yo mama on 15 Nov 2009 at 6:17 pm #
main weapon = m4a1
yo mama on 15 Nov 2009 at 6:35 pm #
main weapon= M4A1
accesories= acog sight,red dot sight, either or both are good. under barrel shotgun,grenade launcher, extended mags and a sh1t load of ammuntition.
REASON= good fire power, reliable, durable,many accesories great fire rate.
secondary weapon= AA12
Accesories=flashlight, drum clip
Reason= i mean come on its a big ass auto shotgun
SIDE ARM= 44 magnum
accesories= fmj
REASON=tons of firepower $$$$$$
MELEE WEAPON=chainsaw
REASON= consistant, gorey, reliable. (except in DAWN OF THE DEAD)
OTHER WEAPON= VULCAN MINI GUN
reason=spits out tons of bullets could stop a horde
A.S.U. on 16 Nov 2009 at 9:35 am #
@Stone, comment 111&112: I think you are forgetting that our average Zombie is undead. The Zombie feels no pain and such, because it is living on basic functions. Most likely, they will have no barriers or limits on how much force they exert. Unlike Zombies, humans have a limit of energy or power they can use before their body forces them to stop and pass out. This also means that Zombies can run faster and farther than us, most likely. So, due to this, I’m sure that they can bite even harder than the every day human. The fact that the jaw bone closing-function is one of the strongest in the body doesn’t help much, either.
McLuvin on 16 Nov 2009 at 10:47 pm #
A.S.U. for the same reasons you mentioned zombies would quickly lose strength.
Since they have no pain or limits on the use of muscle strength they would tear the
muscle fibers quickly and not be able to repair them.
So I agree right after turning they would be stronger and faster
than they were in life (though probably not very coordinated),
but they would soon become the slow weak zombies we know and love.
Senor Krinkle on 21 Nov 2009 at 12:46 am #
Primary: m14, favorite rifle of all time, packs a hell of a punch, accurate as balls, sadly recoil and ammo issues make it a question
Secondary: AA12, whats better than a fully-auto shotgun to hold them off as you back away?
Sidarm: Colt 1911/colt 45, either/or, doesnt amtter, it just makes killin things waaay better
Melee 1: Crowbar, so when i have to run, i can pry open that door
Melee 2: Ball-pean hammer(is that how you spell it?), the Hells Angels now what packs a punch, id trust them over any “theory” manual
Extra: Pipe bombs with some napalm in them, cover myself in dynamite just so the zombies cant have their way and an RPG just to say i did it, hopefully place some landmines around so to lessen the maggot-whores numbers, have some C4 set up to detonate, surround my “last stand” area with TONS of flamable liquids and explosives just so when i go its F*ckin EPIC!
thatscoutkid on 22 Nov 2009 at 9:18 pm #
should i get and sks or a p22? i cant decide.
Angryvikingman on 23 Nov 2009 at 12:06 am #
Well, it all depends on what you’re going for. If you want penetration at 300 yards, then go for the sks. The P22 is a great gun, and I love the pair that I have. Its very accurate to 50 yards if you’re a decent shot. BUT, if you’re willing to spend the money for an sks or P22, then I’d suggest getting a NEW AK-47 variant. Get a stanag scope mount and a good red dot for it. Even the crappy walmart ones are accurate out to about 100 yards, so buy some ammo and sight that bitch in. Use sand bags if you dont have a vice to put it in.
You may pay about $100 more than you were planning to, but you’ll have a more versitile weapon. Or consider the Saiga 12,its in the same $$$ ballpark as the AK-47. There are a large variety of mag sizes for it from 5-20 rounds. Weigh your options, study the firearms and what you intend to do with them. Look at common accessories and mounting platforms. Do a pro/con list if you have to. Make the best decision for you, based on your needs and intended use of the weapon.
McLuvin on 23 Nov 2009 at 11:44 am #
Krinkle, you ask what’s batter than a full-auto shotgun to hold them off while you back away. The answer is just about anything. The gun doesn’t hold enough ammo to hold them off for long, and the full-auto burst will be absorbed by the first few(at least the shots that don’t end up in the ceiling) and most likely leave the rest intact.
For your handgun you said the colt 1911/colt .45 either/or. Are you talking about the colt .45 revolver? If so you may have picked the single worst handgun so far. Low capacity and extremely slow reloads. If you didn’t mean the revolver you just listed the same gun twice and showed that you probably have only shot guns on Call of Duty.
Scoutkid, I agree with Viking on this. Those guns are so completely different. You need to decide what you want to do with the gun. If you want both and are just deciding which to get first go with the .22.
You can practice like crazy while saving for the SKS.
Dave. on 24 Nov 2009 at 6:57 pm #
same as viking.
m4carbine
dual glocks on my sides
shotgun
barret 50 cal
winchester .308
deagles
mac10
all of these accessorised out. and most of it on my back and wat i cant carry will be stockpiled in my truck… lifted ford excursion…. it eatz zombies.
OH AND ANDY… YOU WILL FRIGGEN DIE CAUSE U CANT LIGHT DIESEL ON FIRE WITH UR ZIPPO… DIESEL DOESNT LIGHT ON FIRE!!! hahahah it explodes under compression in diesel engines. gas lights.. so does kerosene but not diesel. so i guess ill be shooting u when the zombies turn u into one of them. look forward to seeing u guys out there in the battle…. hope i can find viking cause hes pretty enlightened on weapons…
Ricepuddin on 24 Nov 2009 at 8:11 pm #
Primary
HK 417
.308 is a pretty common round, as stated before less maintenance.
Acc.
ACOG (and CCO to swap out) +XM26 LSS
The XM26 just to have a shotgun there as a back up (for those sticky situations) not to mention i have become a fan of both the above sights.
Secondary
MP5A5
Because its simple, accurate, 9mm is plentiful.
Acc. trijicon reflex sight
Simple, ok in low light situations
Sidearm
USP CT .45cal
Simple, small, the knock down of a .45, reliable
Acc. Knights armament Suppressor, Trijicon night sight.
When i need to be quiet, and for lowlight shooting
Knife.
M9 Bayonet
Basic use Knife
Blade:
U.S. Calvary saber
Designed with the intent of not sticking in the victim when used. May come in handy
KillerB on 29 Nov 2009 at 8:28 pm #
@ 3-15 INF
Alright dude. I am no master of the M4 but I am better than most and not as good as some. I am sure that you were talking about the M249 or the M240 when you typed “m242″. Shoting a M2, M249, M240G or B, M60, Mk-19, RPD,DSHk, PMK, RPK, AK, or an M4/AR-15 is something that can be learned on the fly. Yes the M2 needs to be properly headspaced before firing………the Mk-19 (pictured at the start of this thread) is and would be a great anti-zombie weapon. I realize that you are in the US Army (thanks) but your tone angers me….as well as the my way or the highway attitude. I am sorry that you are surrounded by guys that can’t shoot their issued weapons but that is in no way a represtation of the rest of the Armed Forces…notably the USMC………..every Marine is a Rifleman…….and I am a 10th award Expert. I stressed the ablity to shoot and fight as a team to every platoon that I was in charge of……………and we killed a ton of “bad guys” that either belived that “GOD” would deliver the bullet to their inteneded target or were untrained and overconfident. The will to fight is not in the gear but in the very soul of the warrior. That desire for victory is something that can not be lost……….it is part of you like your heart, lungs, brain, and free will. CHEERS
ThatScoutKid on 30 Nov 2009 at 4:33 am #
you know what to honest i think i mentioned the M60 as my main because i really couldnt think of anything else. so im going to take back my last weapons list. here goes:
main: i would have my ruger M77. the 270
same reasons but i want to see if i could find hollow points for it.
secondary: my mossberg 500.
just got the short barrel on it. thinking about puttin a pistol grip on it but havnt found one i like.
sidearm: taurus 9mm. have a laser sight on it, should get flashlight for it.
melee: machete ka-bar and WWI trench spike.
destructive device: http://www.deltaforce.com/catalog/pg31.html thats all that needs to be said.
anyway tell me what you think
leveller1 on 30 Nov 2009 at 8:17 am #
as my main weapon, i would have a chaingun, i know it may sound dumb, but as a chaingun has a long ammo belt with at least 70 bullets and a very quick firing rate, i would use that as my main.
my secondary weapon, would be an AK-47, as i can mod it with hot dots, laser sights, grenade launchers and many more.
my sidearm (just for the fun of it) would be a colt peace maker.
my explosive would be phospurus grenades, as they would spread a fire around many zombies quickly.
my melee weapon would be a medieval battle axe, as it would decapitate many a zombies head at a time!
308sniper on 30 Nov 2009 at 3:02 pm #
I’d take a M14 with around 100 magazines.
A mossberg 500 12 gauge with 36 rounds buckshot
2 Springfield XD 45s 1911 style not noobish its the style with the manual safety I’d carry one on my vest and the other on my left hip. Maybe take a silenced ruger mkii with 3 magazines, and a hatchet with a roman gladius and multiple little knives along with a snub nose .38 maybe a 442 in an ankle rig with 5 rounds plus one in the pocket, that one round is in case I lose hope.
3-15 INF on 01 Dec 2009 at 8:42 pm #
@KillerB
I already said more than once that I’m not disparaging any true soldiers (or marines, or any other service) of their abilities, as opposed to the imagined abilities of others on this site. I’m definitely anything but cocky and don’t have a my way or the highway attitude. Nothing I have said was specifically aimed at you. I apologize if I came off that way.
Some weapons are just more complicated than others. Yeah I meant the “M242″, not any other gun. That’s the designation for the 25mm Bushmaster cannon mentioned in some guys’ posts.
I’m just trying to be helpful. We all have different concentrations of knowledge. You have combat engineering knowledge I do not have. I have combat arms knowledge that many others do not. It isn’t bragging. Just a fact. You know that if you do a job well for a few years, you’re bound to know more than a novice.
I’ve fought alongside marine infantry for years, and they’re good troops. Not every marine is not a rifleman, sorry. Tell that to the real riflemen. I didn’t say that I’m surrounded by soldiers that can’t fire their issued weapons. I said that support troops are not, on average, as good as the infantry at shooting. Yet, there are great shooters in support jobs, as well as crappy shots in combat arms. Not all marines are awesome with their weapons, and the same can be said with the army too.
Anyways, my whole point was to stick to weapons you are knowledgeable of, or learn them inside and out and THEN add them to the list. The reason the MK19 OR M2 seem simple to you is because you’ve been trained on them. I don’t think anyone in their right mind would stop to read manuals in the middle of armageddon. Knowing that you have to jack a ghost round before loading your first round on those guns would elude most people who haven’t been trained on it. “Brass to the grass” on a belt fed is basic knowledge to a trained soldier, and a “HUH?” from a civilian. Yeah, third world soldiers eventually pick up on this stuff, but they suck at fighting. A 10 year old can pick up an AK and shoot it, and die just as easily.
ROCK OF THE MARNE!
KillerB on 01 Dec 2009 at 10:56 pm #
Cheers Brother 3-15 INF
Combat Engineer in the Marines is about as fornt line as it gets now days. We fought right along the 0311’s and in many cases pressed the fight when the 03’s were bogged down. Yes you are right whenit comes to shooting but that is only one small aspect of combat. Curage and the will to fight is something that I have seen in 99% of the Marines and Soldiers that I have served alongside.
Thanks for the correction on the M242. I had no idea as to the nomenclature of the 25mm Bushmaster cannon. I honestly thought that you had a typo in reguards to the M249 SAW or the M240G (M240B in the Armys service)
So Cheers brother Cheers. We (those of us who have actual combat experiance) can learn a lot from each other.
I was wrong about writing about your aditude. I do not know you. SO I am sorry about that.
So now that is out of the way. So exactly who are the real riflemen? I am dying to know. I still stand by what I wrote that every Marine is a Rifleman. Some are just better than others. Of course I am not talking about the interservice rifle teams. I am talking about the door kicking trigger puller that is the very essence of being a modern fighting man.
So 3-15 NIF Thanks for your service.
3-15 INF on 01 Dec 2009 at 11:37 pm #
It’s cool, man. In the army, rifleman is an actual job position. What I mean by real riflemen is those who are not out doing any other job as their primary position. Not mechanics, the guy who works in S1, the chaplain’s assistant, the forward observer, tanker, gun bunny, cook, refueler, commo, medic, psy ops, military police, dental hygenist, paralegal and the million other jobs in the service that are grouped all together overseas.
A lot of those guys consider themselves an authority on what happens in combat zones- ya feel me? i think it’s even worse in the army because the marines have alot of those functions filled by the navy. The army is crawling with guys with war stories about how they were fuckin’ up shit on the FOB or have combat action badges (gay) for getting mortared next to the MWR tent during halo tournaments or whatever. THOSE are the guys that always start that inter-service rivalry junk. I’d take the average marine next to me over those crap bags any day, to be honest.
Yeah shooting is only a part of being effective, but it’s a big one. No matter what some civilians might think, our military fighting men are not amatuers. It can”t be learned by watched ‘platoon’ a million times. You won’t learn all it takes on you tube. A well practiced rifle squad, versed on their battle drills, is an awesome sight. Talking guns, while firing and manuevering, not even needing to speak a word to each other is a work of art. THATS what I mean by a real rifleman. It can’t be learned on a rifle range. It’s learned by concentration, months or years of practice, passed on by the true masters of the profession. Sorry for the diatribe, bro, it just gets under the skin a little bit when some guys make it sound like we practice this all for nothing and any trained monkey could do it. I wish that were so.
Much love to all in harms way. Stay safe. HOOHAH!
Armsdealer on 02 Dec 2009 at 3:33 pm #
Okay so either this is going to be a yonkers/reformed anti zombie tactical battle lead by a higher authority OR it’ll be one man army vs. the horde.
In which case the one man army will die, so this is my last stand load out:
Main weapon and accessories you would add:
-M21, acog scope, red dot laser.
Reason for the choice:
-Long range weapon to start with followed by….
Secondary weapon and accessories you would add:
-MP5a2, red laser dot, reflex red dot sight, duct taped triple mags and bayonet.
Reason for the choice:
-I love that gun, if I had to go out in style it would be with that. Of course the L85a2 comes near top on the list, but I wouldn’t want a jam in my blow out sale.
Side arm and accessories you would add
-.44 colt python, lots of quick loaders
Reason for the choice:
-When I run out of ammo on the MP5, I want to add a bit of class into the final showdown.
Melee combat weapons
-Skillet
Reason for the choice
-One because of the sound and two because it’s zombielands rule number 6 (http://www.zombielandrules.com/all-zombieland-rules/)
Any other weapon or destructive device
-About a ton of plastic explosive (lacking that, fertiliser bomb) rigged to my heartbeat if possible (more than 5 seconds without a beat and boom) The explosives should litter the area infront of where I start shooting from with the m21.
Reason for the choice
Gotta go out with a bang.
If it were a military operation this is what I’d use (more serious and a little more practical perhaps)
Main weapon and accessories you would add
-L96 with 4x scope and green laser dot.
Reason for the choice
-My countries standard issue sniper rifle, laser dot for cqb if needed.
Secondary weapon and accessories you would add
-L85a2, iron sights, green laser dot and a drum mag to start with, stick mags to finish.
Reason for the choice
-again, standard issue, iron sights are nice and I don’t really want an acog, laser dot for off the shoulder/hip fire, drum mag because, well why not?
Side arm and accessories you would add
-Sawn off double barrel
Reason for the choice
-gotta have a shotgun in there somewhere, sawn off because it’s a sidearm, double barrel over pump because if I’m out of everything else, I might aswell drop.
Melee combat weapons
Reason for the choice
Melee combat weapons
-crutch with a machete duct taped to the end B)
Reason for the choice
-long range weapon with the goodness of a short range.
Any other weapon or destructive device
-same as before minus the heatbeat switch, just a regular detonator will work, that way if I figure someone may survive, I can pass it over to him/her.
McLuvin on 10 Dec 2009 at 2:09 am #
Armsdealer, I hope you are joking. The choices were funny enough to be a joke.
Also, there is no such gun as a .44 Colt Python.
Angryvikingman on 10 Dec 2009 at 4:35 am #
Omg. Face palm. Nuff said.
fathead on 11 Dec 2009 at 11:39 pm #
Armsdealer, im new here but im gonna have to go with Mcluvin on this one, .44 Colt Python, does not exist
Angryvikingman on 12 Dec 2009 at 12:03 am #
According to wikipedia, the Colt Python is only in .357…
FreddeX91 on 12 Dec 2009 at 6:04 pm #
Main weapon and accessories
M14 sniper rifle. 20 round magazine, silencer, scope and a bipod with spiked feets.
Secondary weapon and accessories
AK5 assault rifle. 40 mm M203 grenade launcher, 90 round magazine (it isn’t standard yet but it is under consideration :D), silencer and the nightscope attachment AK5b.
Side arm and accessories.
M9 with silencer.
Melee combat weapons
Regular wood chopping axe. Small, light and it packs quite a punch, sounds good to me. :D Also i think i want to bring with me a regular combar knife too just in case :)
Any other weapon or destructive device
I would normaly put molotov cocktails here but i think it would be a little to much for me to carry, also with the grenade laucher for the AK5 it feels kind of unneccery. :D
3-15 INF on 13 Dec 2009 at 12:12 am #
no serious shooter uses a visible laser sight- doesn’t make sense to give away your position
Dreadnought on 13 Dec 2009 at 4:05 pm #
Well to be fair i don’t think the zombies would react to a visible laser dot like a human would so it wouldn’t be such a problem. In fact you might be able to use it to distract a zombie. Like a cat ya know?
3-15 INF on 13 Dec 2009 at 4:10 pm #
it’s mostly mall ninja crap- they lose zero quickly by reputation
Angryvikingman on 13 Dec 2009 at 6:36 pm #
The only reason I would use the laser I have is in close quarters, and then only when I didnt have time to take proper aim with my Aimpoint. Kinda like a hip shot. Guess the next thing I need is a night vision monocular or 3x magnifier to mount behind my aimpoint. I’ve heard that they make them, just havent really looked for it yet.
Benjo on 13 Dec 2009 at 7:09 pm #
SPAS 12 body strap, laser and light
CQB, high rate of fire
AK 47 collapsable stock and vertical foregrip, strap, X3-X5 Scope
long range, reliability, suppressive fire
A (big ol’) Wrench 2′+
for all manner of smashing skulls, windows, vases, and breakable things.
skateboard
for portable transportation, and the illustration of a lion tamer’s chair.
Benjo on 13 Dec 2009 at 7:13 pm #
3-15 INF-
it doesn’t give your exact location most times.
the purpose of drawing attention is more like a fear inducer.
you could see a laser point around a corner, and its source could be 1/2 kilometers away.
3-15 INF on 13 Dec 2009 at 8:19 pm #
Quite often with the brighter lasers you can see the stream all the way back to the location- I’ve seen it with the green veridian ones. Not sure how a fear inducer would work against an enemy that doesn’t experience fear. I spend most of my time on my job looking for target indicators, so I’d say lasers are a bad idea. My advice is to avoid them. A big waste of money. Red dots, on the other hand, for cqb are an awesome idea, especially the EOTECH. I’d be worried as much with live humans as anything else.
I really don’t mean to sound like an asshole. Please don’t take it as such. I just want to repeat over and over, DO WHAT THE VETS DO!!!! M4 with Acog or EOTECH, Rack, and whatever Combat handgun your comfortable with, and an ax or hatchet. Whatever is more complicated than that will fail. Get good at that. Use whatever is common. Lasers and other mall ninja crap will fail.
3-15 INF on 13 Dec 2009 at 10:51 pm #
btw, anyonwe who mentions the aa12 makes me wonder about whether theyve had any practical experience- def not a good choice- get the saiga-12 – much better
Angryvikingman on 14 Dec 2009 at 1:38 am #
AA-12 is just a bullet hose. For real control you need a semi auto or pump. Like 3-15INF said, the saiga is much better.
McLuvin on 14 Dec 2009 at 1:43 am #
3-15 INF, I agree that simplicity is a good idea. I would probably not use a laser during the zompocalypse. I will disagree however that they lose zero easily. If you get a quality unit they will hold zero indefinitely(unless you smash them into a door frame or something).
I also agree that the geniuses that keep posting about AA-12’s and suppressing fire are annoying. I stand by my previous statements. If you’ve never shot a particular gun DON’T pick it. You can’t extol the virtues of anything if you’ve never experienced it.
Angryvikingman on 14 Dec 2009 at 2:01 am #
Favorite shotguns that I HAVE ACTUALLY SHOT:
Saiga-12 Tromix Custom
Benelli M3 Super 90 (Semi/pump: it has a switch)
My Mossberg 500 8-shot security model
I wasnt a big fan of the shotgun until recently, but those are my favorites.
McLuvin on 14 Dec 2009 at 2:58 am #
Beretta M3 super 90?
Not trying to be a dick but I think you mean Benelli.
3-15 INF on 14 Dec 2009 at 9:51 am #
The shotgun is awesome for ballistically breaching a doorway or lock (pistol rounds will NOT bust a lock). That’s helpful when you have to get indoors immediately and don’t have time to use the crowbar.
I really love the knox folding wire stock and pistol grip for the mossberg 500. Fold it up and put it in a blackhawk holster on the back of my vest and you have a quickly deployable six shot short barrel. The stock takes some of the bite off of your thumb, and I guess would help if you needed to actually shoot somebody with it.
Anything any bigger than that is really a primary weapon, and compactness isn’t really important. Oh yeah, a 5 lb sledge is great for busting in doors, too. PLUS, you can carry some piano wire and some nails and set the big boy up to smash anyone coming through a door in the crown if you need to keep a door open as an escape but want some protection from the first shuffler through.
McLuvin on 14 Dec 2009 at 10:57 am #
Really? You think that is a good idea?
I think somebody has watched Home Alone too many times.
If you plan on leaving a door open for quick evac, you have effectively compromised your entire perimeter. A booby trap to kill the first zed through the door won’t do much to deter the ones behind him.
Think People!
McLuvin on 14 Dec 2009 at 2:47 pm #
In a perfect scenario we would all sit on our second story balcony and pick off zombies as they slowly shamble out of the woods from one direction. In reality for every zed we kill in our sight line two will probably be coming in from an unseen direction. If you believe in a fortified frontal perimeter and an open back door you should really study up on the Maginot Line.
Tex Devereaux on 14 Dec 2009 at 3:49 pm #
Primary Weapon:
Ruger 10/22 Custom Sub Compact
10″ Heavy Fluted Barrel
Dual Pistol Grip, Forward and Rear
Folding Stock
Ghost Ring Sights
30 Round Hi-Cap Magazines
Reason:
Light wieght and easy to tote. Quick to the ready. Can carry thousands of rounds easily without much added weight. .22 LR Hollow Points will go through human skull. Highly accurate up to 50 yards. Aim for the eyes, and Squeeze!
Secondary Weapon:
High Standard HSA-15 5.56 Nato/.223 Rem.
16″ Chrome Lined Barrel
Collapsable Stock
Standard Mil-Spec Ghost Ring Sights and Carry Handle
30 Round PMag’s
Reason:
Normally a primary weapon but ammo will become scarce very quickly. Use as a back up to the .22LR if it would take too long to drop clip and reload in close proximity. Accurate for shots out to 100 yards for Zack Heads.
Side Arm Weapon:
Springfield Armory XD45, .45ACP, Standard 4″ Service Model
LaserMax Guide Rod Laser sight
13+1 Capacity
Reason:
If I ever have to pull the .45 that means I’m out of ammo in both Primary and Secondary Weapons and have no choice because they are right on top of me and Im trying to shoot a path to escape.
Melee Weapon:
Cold Steel Warrior Series Katana
Japanese Folded Steel
Factory Sharpeded for Rigid use
Reason:
Best used to take of the head at the neck. Not to chop or stab the skull, mainly because their would be the risk of getting it stuck in the skull and not being able to retrieve it.
Other Weapons:
About a Dozen home made pipe bombs with fuses.
Reason:
In a pinch they could make an escape path through the Zacks, punch a hole in a wall, be strapped to a propane tank or in when you get in over your head and have to self sacrifice.
3-15 INF on 14 Dec 2009 at 5:22 pm #
i was talking about an interior door- you cant barricade yourself in all the time- an escape rout covered by a trip wired defense is effective. The VC did it really effectively in their tunnels, and a doormat rigged with a bomb has taken out more than a few in Iraq. Even a bell on the doorknob is good to alert you of a probe. A sledge set up to swing and bash a head isn’t foolish, it’s prudent. Zeds wouldn’t stop to look for a trip wire like a live human would, so you dont even habe to conceal it. A zed you knocked out with a trap is one you don’t have to shoot. Pit traps and trenches would work too.
Tex Devereaux on 14 Dec 2009 at 5:46 pm #
I like your thinking on the traps but I wouldn’t over complicate the place your trying to secure and defend too much. Or you run a risk of tripping them yourself. A swinging sledge would be cool to see though.
Benjo on 14 Dec 2009 at 8:34 pm #
What are you talking about, chuckleheads? The SPAS12 is a semi auto/ pump action shotgun. the only reason i’d choose it over a six shot Mossberg is because it just looks fearsome.
Fear being the emotional response to a perceived threat. So 3-15 INF, when you see my point on the wall, stick your head around the corner and follow what you can see of the beam in the dust up to the muzzle of my piece. Just stare down the barrel, and i’ll know not to shoot you, because a zombie would run away from that sort of thing.
3-15 INF on 14 Dec 2009 at 9:31 pm #
You sound like you really are an authority on the subject- what was I thinking? Using a laser to distract like they’re cats sounds more reasonable the more I read it. You should put a laser on everything. You should have one mounted on your sunglasses so it shines wherever you look like a borg.
Angryvikingman on 14 Dec 2009 at 11:48 pm #
The spas is ok. Depending on the model, some have a lot of trouble with the lever style safety causing the weapon to jam repeatedly. I’d rather have a saiga-12, benelli, or my 8 shot mossberg 500 pump.
@ McLuvin
You weren’t being a dick. Thats what happens when I post while drunk.
Benjo on 15 Dec 2009 at 11:37 am #
DO YOU WANNA LOOK LIKE A FUCKIN’ BORG?!?!?!
silly trekkie.
i don’t think that a zombie would even pay attention to a laser, and
THATS THE GODDAMN IDEA! i could try and put endless effort and aplomb into each and every shot i fire, but if i can point and click then its that much easier.
INF 3-15 INF on 15 Dec 2009 at 1:13 pm #
wow, sarcasm really eludes you. Think laser guided samarai sword hahaha that should get the mall ninjas drooling. Hey whatever works in your favorite video game.
3-15 INF on 15 Dec 2009 at 11:02 pm #
wow, man i guess sarcasm eludes you. You’re a really intense yeller aren’t you? Pretty high-strung. Maybe you would like to have a laser guided samurai sword or something. Lasers distract from good shooting.The only time they work better than a red dot is an IR laser with Nods. Its not like aiming takes that long.
Benjo on 15 Dec 2009 at 11:20 pm #
Maybe you would like to have a laser guided samurai sword or something.
honestly, how old do you think i am?
INF 3-15 INF on 16 Dec 2009 at 11:33 am #
You honestly sound really young from the yelling and name calling, aside frrom the apparent lake of a sense of humor.
I was simply making comments reguarding many posters obsession with lasers. IMHO, laser distract from good reflexive shooting. You should be focusing on your front site with the target blurry. It should become so reflexive that you don’t even need to think.
Lasers cause you to focus on the target and you end up searching for the dot on the target too much. They don’t have great range either, since the dot gets larger and fainter with distance. BY 1/2 a kilometer, a little red dot is a foot wide and dissapaited.
Yes, u can see lasers from other than the target area. You can observe them laterally, especially with the presence of smoke or fog. It would attract anything that using a flashlight would, dead or alive.
Aside from that, I just consider it really an unimportant gadget that the unexperienced think looks cool.
Fondle on 16 Dec 2009 at 7:38 pm #
primary weapon: right cross
secondary weapon: left jab
sidearm: roundhouse kick
melee weapon: my scrotum
McLuvin on 16 Dec 2009 at 10:54 pm #
Tex, I am pleased to see someone with a realistic selection. Thank you.
3-15, you may be giving the zombies too much credit.
In the off chance that they were to see a laser, I highly doubt they would track it back to it’s origin.
You also mention that a laser would be a foot wide and dissipated at 500 meters. Lasers are not meant to be used at that kind of distance. Lasers are great for close to medium distances. It is much faster to make many accurate headshots at close range with a laser. You take away the need to line up the sights for each shot so it would be ideal in close quarters swarm situations like Tex mentions. You also say that it causes you to focus on the target. That is a benefit not a detractor of the laser. They also allow you to make accurate shots from less than ideal positions.
I would probably not have one to fight the zombies, because I don’t currently own one but it would be very handy in certain situations.
Benjo on 17 Dec 2009 at 12:05 am #
oh yeah, big surprise, i’m seven.
even so, i’m smart enough to know a laser on a sword IS a waste of time. just because you’re mister big-bad-armyassfucker automatically means that i’m a little nubcakes because i want a laser on a gun and you say that it serves absolutely no purpose? show some respect, eh?
3-15 INF on 17 Dec 2009 at 11:20 am #
@Benjo-
Good fucking GOD, this is ridiculous. It was a joke when i said a laser on a sword. I was making fun of all the guys who think lasers are a good accessory. Do you understand that? I wasn’t being serious, I was being sarcastic.
Man, I don’t get on this site by myself. Most of the time I just click on it when I’m in the platoon cp and my NCO’s and I get a good laugh on the comments that get posted here. Half the time I’m posting comments from the guys in the office. You’ve given a few chuckles to some real grunts in A-1/325th PIR, man. I mean seriously, nubcakes.Let me know the next time you see visible lasers clustered all over a professionals weapon. IR lasers have their po, when used for night vision, but an eotech or m68 is way more effective in a close combat situation.
There’s some guys who I respect their opinions more than others and I’m pretty sure others would agree- 3ID, KillerB, Angryviking, McLuvin, and Kain of course. I might change my mind about you later, but who knows? Show some respect for the guys who really do this shit for a living and maybe you’ll have a chance of getting some. Making comments about people being “chuckleheads” or mister big-bad-armyassfucker” is NOT the road to respect.
wheelgunner on 18 Dec 2009 at 2:20 am #
Primary-
I’m gonna have to go with a a weatherby vangaurd in .270 wsm, 6×24x60 barska scope. clip-pouch bandolier.
Reasoning-
Alsome ballistics, stock -moa gaurentee from factory, clip fed, fewer shots, less chances you’ll be willing to take, theoretical longer life span, and it has to be night before you don’t see outa that scope.
Backup-
Forget the model number…7 shot Taurus .357 mag with a six inch barrel and Taurus pt-99 9mm w/ shoulder holster, min 4 extra clips and 3 speedloaders for .357
Reasoning-
9mm has a 15+1 capasity, accurate, lays down good close range fire if you need it, small enough to conceal. I can pop coke cans at 50 yards with the .357, and that beats a head any day, plus ammo on both is common.
Melee-
Cold steel 1792 British light calvary saber.
3 feet of anti flesh with a fist gaurd.
Extras-small flashlights have been known to come in handy n tandom with a pistol. Napalm molotavs also stand in good stead for clearing bodys and suspicius areas of cove.
ThatScoutKid on 19 Dec 2009 at 6:22 pm #
@3-15 INF
i fully agree. I really dont mind sharing space with younger people as long as they act mature. and thank you for your service to the military
@benjo
if you want respect from someone then you really shouldnt insult them. Just sayin dude…
Angryvikingman on 20 Dec 2009 at 9:01 pm #
Mua ha ha ha ha! Got in my 4 comp M2 aimpoints today! Unfortunately my dang webserver is being the gay and I can’t get it to work properly.
Gonna try these as links.
http://www.zombiesarecoming.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/aimpoint1.jpg
http://www.zombiesarecoming.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/aimpoint2.jpg
http://www.zombiesarecoming.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/aimpoint3.jpg
He who has the most toys wins!
sgtlongo on 21 Dec 2009 at 11:41 pm #
i would have to say that i would have a TAR-21 with just a red dot sight and an m203 grenade launcher because its a bullpup type weapon and easier to realod
a UMP.45 just in case i need a little more fire power after i run out of ammo for my TAR
2 m9s two because i feel its necessary to have a back up side arm
a tactical tomahawk because its practical with all of todays building codes if i need to smash through a wall
i havnt heard anyone talk about clothing so i think i might as well go for it i would wear some army ACUs with a tactical vest combat boots and elbow + knee pads because ACUs are bad ass combat boots are comfy and are reliable the tac vest because i need a place to carry all my shit and elbow + knee pads because they help with shooting positions thats about it really
3-15 INF on 22 Dec 2009 at 1:12 pm #
wow, man, did you get some kind of bargain for bulk ordering? Those things’ll last forever. I’m saving up for a couple for my M1 garand and my M1 carbine. Love e’m.
Angryvikingman on 22 Dec 2009 at 2:39 pm #
Yep. A bargain at $200 each. Couldnt pass that up. My wife was pissed. Dude at a gun show was trying to get money for xmas, so I racked up! May sell off one or two since I have other red dots already.
3-15 INF on 23 Dec 2009 at 2:10 pm #
That’s a great deal- i see you got the mounts and kill flashes included. You could sell those for double what you paid for. I’m going the burris speed dot way because you can mount them instead of the rear site on handguns. I like the doctor red dot sites too, but theyr’e a little pricy, same with the eotech. I’m gonna probably put one on the m1 carbine, one on my walther p22, and one ontop of my leopold MK4 on my Remington 700 for close engagements rather than going to a variable.
McLuvin on 23 Dec 2009 at 8:15 pm #
You can’t go wrong with Aimpoints. I have two ML3’s that work great. 50,000 hours
on a battery will be nice after the zompocalypse too
ThatScoutKid on 26 Dec 2009 at 2:58 am #
im thinking about making a zombie podcast.tell me what you guys think about it. i have a friend who does all the editing and everything but i just need a site to put it on. oh yeah and merry christmas.
Angryvikingman on 01 Jan 2010 at 5:13 pm #
I found a guy that makes some awesome mag pouches.
thevestguy.com
Lots of custom saiga 12 stuff, as well as mp5. The mp5 stuff is in the airsoft category, but that stuff is usually to scale, so I don’t see why it wouldnt work for real mags.
BigAnt_ on 04 Jan 2010 at 5:59 am #
I am fully prepared for a zombie apocalypse. I have a fairly good arsenal of weapons. And i own a 2008 Ford f350 “King Ranch” that is basicly a hummer.
Vehicle: 2008 Ford F350 King Ranch
Assult rifles of choice: Century Arms Ak-47,Wilson Combat M4-T, FN SCAR 16″.
Secondary assult weapons of choice :
Mossberg 590 SP
Rifle of choice:Savage 10 BAS-K 308.
Pistol of choice: Magnum Research Desert Eagle XIX 44 Mag., FN Five-Seven Usg, HK USP 45ACP
Mellee weapons:
18 inch Military machete, Spax combat axe,
BRING IT ON!!!!
3-15 INF on 08 Jan 2010 at 10:30 am #
I’ll probably post this in several different catagories since I’m so impressed with the new .22 WMR pistol from Kel-tech!
It’s called the PMR-30 and is a handgun similar to the ps90, but half the price and chambered for the way more common .22 WMR cartridge.
It comes with a 30-rd magazine, which is 3 times the capacity of the average 22 pistol and even with the extended mag for the ps90.
This cartridge is more than powerful enough and out of the same length barrel has the same velocity with a bigger bullet.
Check it out- I nominate this gun as the perfect zombie fighting handgun!
McLuvin on 08 Jan 2010 at 3:01 pm #
Kellgren is just reintroducing his old Grendel pistol. This one is so much uglier than the original. The 5.7 is a more powerful cartridge but the FN FiveseveN is not the best design ever.
I would like a 30rd 22lr in a nice gun. That would be sweet.
3-15 INF on 10 Jan 2010 at 12:35 pm #
Keltech has redone a couple of grendel designs including the p10. I have a P-3AT and it’s a decent pocket pistol. I don’t know whether the PMR30 is any uglier than the P30, but out of a hangun, the 22 WMR has about the same power as a 5.7 out of the same length barrel. With the ammo a civilian can get, anyway. The WMR is cheaper too.
The problem for either round is that the powder doesn’t have time to burn out in a pistol barrel. That’s why I’m hoping they offer this gun in a 22lr chambering tough enough to fire cci minimags or stingers. A 30 rd mag in a smallish pistol would make a great bugout bag handgun.
FallenKnight on 10 Jan 2010 at 9:09 pm #
3-15 INF & McLuvin, I have an AMT Automag II in .22 WMR, and while it is amazingly accurate, its muzzle flash is worse than my wife’s 2″ .357. Actually, I have 2 with 6″ barrels & one with the 4 1/2″ barrel, and they are great shooters. I can’t see the PMR-30 being any different.
That being said, here’s my choices for armament:
Main weapon & accessories would be the hordes of gamers who think being good at a video game gives them any understanding of tactics, and all the S&W 500s and Desert Eagles, Barrett M82s and SAWs they can carry. That way, if I ever wanted to use something from the Spring Overkill Collection I could take my pick from their recently gnawed off hands.
Secondary weapon would be a .22 rifle, either semi-auto or bolt-action, with a really good 2-6 power scope on it. The reason for that is they are really quiet, effective to 100 yards, and you can carry an official metric shitload of ammo for it. Not to mention ammo is available almost worldwide.
My choice for a sidearm is a bit more complicated. On the one hand, I’d like a hi-cap auto, like my G22 or VP70Z, with plenty of extra mags, of course. On the other hand, I’d like to have a revolver that shot .45 ACP or .38 Super/9mm so I could keep my empties & not have to scrounge for them.
For a melee weapon I like the Cold Steel heavy machete or Oyabun, or the CRKT First Strike, or even the Korean Era M3 fighting knife, all of which I already have.
Any other weapon? Maybe a Serbu Super Shorty in 12ga for door breaching duty, also because ammo is almost everywhere.
ol honest jim on 11 Jan 2010 at 2:01 am #
my choices for 2 different loadouts; either preferably…
1. FN P90 with suppressor, infrared laser, and a small infrared scope which must also be usable in daylight. 2 FN five seven pistols, with suppressors
GOOD: both weapons use same ammunition; the light, accurate, powerful 5.7×28mm. also ambidexterity, reliable, proven, lightweight, compact, quiet, and 50 rnd mags. ammo is proprietary and unlikely to be hoarded by other survivors.
BAD: ammo is proprietary, and very rare, batteries.
or more likely…
2. ol’ reliable M4 Carbine with same accessories, 2 1911s for backup.
GOOD: standard parts, relatively common stateside, very common ammo, ambidexterity, reliable, proven, more powerful, better range, somewhat compact.
BAD: heavier weapons, heavier ammo, louder even when suppressed, smaller capacity per mag, and ammo likely hoarded by others, batteries.
screw melee, that’ll just get you swarmed. explosives have their uses, but mostly just for blowing off limbs and striking panic into your enemies, neither of which helps with zombies.
i’ll hunker down in a nearby walled industrial area while i scrounge for parts to a build my war machine.
i know this isn’t the thread to discuss transportation, but when your vehicle is going to be your primary weapon, i figure it’s fair game. i’ll take a semi truck with heavy chain link bolted and welded over the grill and windows, (dunno how i’ll keep the mirrors from getting ripped off), firing ports, a nice sleeper in the back, shielded undercarriage to keep ‘em from getting underneath and ripping out the delicate stuff, a snowplow for pushing wrecked cars off the road, large fuel tanks, good set of tools, a welder, air compressor, fuel-safe external pump, lots of ammo, beer fridge, and some of those hydraulic crane feet all around to keep a mega-swarm from tipping it all over while i’m working,
by which i mean doing this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZDngpTmpzQ
play the stereo nice and loud, maybe install a bucket crane on the trailer in order to dangle some bait (sniper, goat, or particularly annoying child) over the cutters, turn on all the spotlights, pop a beer and lounge around waiting for them to show up, then take some photos and some potshots at the swarm as they pile up into the grinders. equipment remote controls located both in the cab and on the crane, of course.
i’ll clear a town, and if the survivors want to repay me, i’ll take fuel, food, and a toss with their ladies. if not, they get free fertilizer anyway.
upgrades to the basic package would be a convoy of support vehicles as survivors join up to drive them, and armor plating over all engine bays, windows and tires to fend off the damned motorcycle gangs and urban Rambos. When you intend to make yourself a big noisy target, best to become one that others break themselves against.
kastraynator on 11 Jan 2010 at 9:23 pm #
decided to rethink my choice of weaponry (quite honestly the last one i posted was quite rushed and not so thought out as i would have liked
Main weapon my I.O inc AK-47 (its one of the slightly older models i dont think they still sell it but if you look them up you will get a pretty good idea)
Reason for the choice
good stopping power accurate enough and highly reliable
Secondary weapon 22-250 with a x1-x12 power scope and a bipod
Reason for the choice
highly accurate nice big bullet
Side arm HI-point .45 S&W pistol
Reason for the choice
had one of these things forever. super reliable and im not a bad shot with it
Melee combat weapons my 7″ USMC Ka-bar fighting knife and a hatchet or tomohawk
Reason for the choice
great tools and could easily take out a zed if it came down to it
Any other weapon or destructive device a bag of thermite
Reason for the choice
wouldnt bother with useing it as a weapon (ok maby as a booby trap) mostly for getting through doors or anything else that needs getting through
McLuvin on 12 Jan 2010 at 9:58 pm #
Kastraynator, I don’t think you understood the thread. This was a fantasy gear thread.
You can have anything you want. It looks like you maybe just listed what you had on hand.
If you had a choice of any handgun and chose a hi-point I would just feel sad for you.
If you listed it because it is what you have on hand until you can afford a real gun, then I still feel sad for you but I at least understand.
Also your stats on the 22-250 are a little off. It actually has a pretty small bullet.
Usually between 40-75 grain. Also, scopes don’t normally have a power range of 1-12x
they are normally 4-12x or maybe 3-12x.
s1Ay3R on 13 Jan 2010 at 10:59 am #
AK-47
It’s reliable, can stand up to abuse and you can get the mags just about anywhere in the world… Not really sure what I would want in the way of sights, might just stick with iron sights, although I would add a laser……..
Mosin-Nagant 91/30
I’ve been shooting guns since I was 6, so I know how to handle the power of a bigger caliber gun, and I like to be able to be far away and still do damage… With a leupold scope…
FN Five seveN
Power of rounds, large 20 round mags, and light weight… Light/Laser combo
Taurus Judge
Not really sure why, but I like the idea of putting the power of a shotgun in a pistol…. Laser….
440 Stainless Machete
I plan on raiding a few warehouses and I’m going to get as much mags and ammo as possible… There is a National Guard vehicle storage facility where I live so I’ll probablly get a APC…..
SAVAGE on 17 Jan 2010 at 3:47 am #
ill be to the point
primary: Auto assault 12 with 3 drums regular shot 1 drum granades
reason: IT IS PERFECT
secondary: .22 semi auto rifle w/ 5x scope and 6″bayonett and 4 30 rnd mags
reason: light weight ,accurate, low recoil, effective for headshots, and .22 rounds bounce around the braincase after penetration
sidearm: .22 semi auto pistol w/ 4 extended clips
reason: same as above
melee: eagle talon tactical tomahawk
reason: light weight, blade can cave in or decapitate heads or sever limbs, its spike can pierce steel so a skull is no problem, it can cut through a wall if you need an emergency exit, it can breach doors, it will never break , it can be thrown accuratly with practice , it holds an edge well, it can come cord wrapped with 20 feet of paracord
other: c4 and detonators
McLuvin on 17 Jan 2010 at 8:01 pm #
I like that s1ay3r, you are going to mount a several hundred dollar(minimum) Leupold scope to a $60 91/30.
Also the most modern handgun with rare ammo paired with a century old mediocre military rifle.
Ahh, the duality of man.
Docwade on 01 Feb 2010 at 8:48 pm #
Once again, planning on raiding well, pretty much anything during a breakout is the best way to get killed. s1Ay3R, a lot of people are going to have your idea, and the people already there aren’t just going to bend to your overwhelming will. I still say the idea of trying to rip off a gun store, military armory, police station, etc rank up there with trying to perpetrate an armed robbery of a cop bar. Also, you want an apc? Where are you headed in that “new fangled mobile command center”? Gas station to gas station? They aren’t exactly an ‘87 pickup truck: what are you going to do for maintenance? replacement parts?
I do like your primary gun. AK47. I would probably go with either an AK74/SAR2 or 223 norinco or even an SAR3. Get a Krebs rail (there are is no equal).
The taurus judge is not the be all end all of handguns gentlemen. 5 rounds??? I’ll take a glock 34 with a 33 round mag any day.
FN 5.7…well, I finally saw a small stack of ammo at a gunshow recently. There is nothing magical about the 5.7. There will be no zeds walking around with a spectra shield soccer ball encapsulating their heads. You will more likely find 9mm than 5.7. Hell, if you want something exotic, find yourself a MP7. It seems to be the favorite movie gun right now.
I’ve had a bunch of 91/30’s. Good rifle…in the very very early part of the last century, but we are not fighting z-germans. Even a used 308 savage will perform better for you…and your leupold.
ThatScoutKid on 16 Feb 2010 at 3:56 pm #
ok ok an expensive, and hopefully effective list
WA2000
short sniper full accuracy
4x-12x leopould, plenty of mags, and hollow points if they have them in 308.
PS90 smg
civilian version of the p90. semi auto
so i dont get tempted to go full auto.
just a surefire on this.
may sound a bit gamerish but i would have 3 or 4 pistols on me. not for “dual weilding” cuz thats just retarded. maby an M1911A1, a suppressed M9, a 357. python, and a glock 19. all of those have maby a hundred rounds for each of them.
for melee i think i would have my 3 favorite knives, a hatchet, and the largest stanley fubar i could find.
destuctive device, 4 kiloton suitcase nuke, lacking that a few sticks of dynamite would do nicely. and i hope somone critisizes my choice for a nuke because even i wouldnt trust my self self with the. i was thinking stap it to your self after you get bit and attract as many zombies as possible to you. BOOM! but thats all i can really see as a use for it. or a city leveler.
im ecstatic to learn what you guys think of it, or if there are any modifications that you would use, any weapon info i got wrong things like that. i consider myself very full of knowledge on the subject but i really love learning more about it. thanks guys,
ThatScoutKid, Dilan
McLuvin on 18 Feb 2010 at 11:52 pm #
I wasn’t going to say anything about rare guns(WA2000) or hard to find
ammo(5.7×28) but I have to point out that 4 different handguns in 3
different calibers would be cumbersome and logistically difficult.
If you are reloading and grab the mag for a different gun that could ruin
your day. It would be much easier to carry a similarly ridiculous number
of identical guns so the ammo and mags are interchangeable.
Or maybe just one good gun and more ammo or gear.
kastraynator on 19 Feb 2010 at 9:11 pm #
McLuvin. i can understand why you would disprove of my handgun choice. unarguable not the best in the world but i will still pick it over other handguns just because i have had one for so long
i must have had mine for 8 years now. almost never cleaned the thing and it only jammed once in a blue moon do to shoddy ammo. granted its not that accurate but i wouldn’t really be using a pistol past 10 yards so it doesn’t really need to be a nail driver. plus as the my first gun ever it will always be a favorite of mine
ThatScoutKid on 20 Feb 2010 at 4:27 pm #
well if money was no issue i would have a few million rounds of ammo i know it says what you can carry on you but i would not be on the move depending on the zombie. i realize that 5.7×28 isnt amazing. if anything i would want it in 45 acp or 9mm. but it seems like a very versatile gun. and i would probably lose the python. and i can really never decide on a pistol. i love too many to decide. and can we all agree that a wa2000 would be kickass to own?
ThatScoutKid on 20 Feb 2010 at 4:28 pm #
and i forgot the detcord
Angryvikingman on 20 Feb 2010 at 7:44 pm #
The WA2000 is so freaking ugly. Thats like saying the F2000 is better looking than the M249 or something. Ick, gag, I hate the WA2000. Gimme a PSG1, HK SR9TC, or HK 11 for a sniper platform. Bolt guns are great and all, but why not have a semi auto if its just as accurate? Don’t go giving me all that crap about bolt guns being so much more accurate, they’re not really. The longest confirmed kill in history was made with a semi-auto.
3-15 INF on 21 Feb 2010 at 2:07 pm #
No way Viking- a bolt is more accurate than a semi- we use semi’s but they are for quicker engagements at medium range (300- 600M). I don’t think any long range shooter will say a semi is as accurate as a bolt gun. The more moving parts, the more variables, and the more variables, the less chance of a consistent shot. The longest recordable shot was from a Canadian Sniper during Operation Anaconda in Afghanistan. He shot from a mile and a half away using a .50 BMG McMillian bolt action rifle. Plus, it took him several shots.
My pick for most guys as a good medium range gun that is still pretty affordable would be the SASS M110. An M16A3 with an ACOG would do too. If you want good long range shots, a Rem 700 in .308 will get you out farther than you abilities, most likely.
Angryvikingman on 21 Feb 2010 at 2:48 pm #
Ok, I was wrong. Probably should have checked before I blabbed my mouth. What was I thinking? I usually check my facts.
Personally, I really do like the HK11 for a sniper platform. If the German special forces use them, then theres a reason for it.
3-15 INF on 22 Feb 2010 at 10:14 am #
Yeah, but you have more experience in HK weapons than I do. I’ve only fired a real MP5 a couple of times in Iraq.
I like and trust the AR platforms and they are plenty accurate with the right loads and optics. I’m more used to them and the parts are easier to find in a domestic weapon, whatever the make, than a foreign weapon.
I really like the SASS in 7.62. The DPMS mini SASS is a really accurate 5.56 rifle also.
McLuvin on 22 Feb 2010 at 3:11 pm #
I agree with Viking that the WA2000 is ugly. I’m with 3-15 on a domestic gun over a rare foreign gun especially after the zompocalypse.
Kastraynator makes me sad.
ThatScoutKid on 26 Feb 2010 at 7:45 pm #
the WA2000 is a semi auto, and i think its pretty sexy. but it doesn’t need to be good looking ,just effective, right? and i think the F2000 is an ugly gun, especially when you compare it to that sexy beast of a gun, the M240
Angryvikingman on 27 Feb 2010 at 1:31 am #
Semi auto with a 6 shot mag. Might as well be a bolt gun.
ThatScoutKid on 07 Mar 2010 at 9:59 pm #
i think it might help conserve ammo , like a bolt action. and im surprised there isnt anything bigger then a 6 shot.