Out Running the Horde

Whether you are trying to get to your stronghold or trying to get away from it you going to need to pick a means of transport. Here we take a brief look at various means of mobility, from your mom’s sedan to your own two feet and grit.
Even if you think you have prepared for every possible event there will still be those that you don’t think of. Those events are the ones that will cause you to reevaluate your situation and eventually you may have to abandon, either under your own accord or under fire, to a possibility more secure area, simply to flee your own death. The cause of your flight might mean that you have no other option other than to use your feet, on the other hand you might be able to pick the means by which you leave, and if that is so you will have to weigh the advantages and disadvantages.
Cars, Trucks, and other Gas Guzzlers: While any kind of large vehicle will mean that you will be able to carry far more than you would otherwise be able to on you back they are not perhaps the best choice if you are planning to hold out in an area of an extremely extended time period. First off even with stabilizers fuel will only last so long and there are other issues, such as the batteries to be concerned able when dealing with a vehicle that will sit for months or years at a stretch without significant use. Also, another concern that some may have is that modern vehicles could possibly be disabled if a nuclear device were to be exploded, be that at low level or at high altitude, which in turns means that the options for motorized transport are severally limited. Barring nuclear war, the fact that modern vehicles are often not the easiest to maintain and once all fuel has been used they become little more than an obstacle in traveling down a deserted road. Also, another concern would be agility and the ability to maneuver in close contact with hostile, dead or alive, as well as the fact that a running vehicle in a world devoid of such things would bring more than a little interest from the locals, even if they were not hostile.
Bicycles: While they are not as fast or do they as easily haul as much as a car or truck they are easier to maintain and the necessary parts to do repairs are not as numerous compared to having to lug an entire transmission just in case the current one goes to hell. They are also much quieter than almost any motorized vehicle and that gives you a better chance of seeing a possible ambush before you are in it. However, a bicycle offers no armor except what you might be wearing on your person. A skilled marksman might very possibly be able to take you out before you are able to react or put up a fight, also a single strand of wire across a path or road could mean you death if you choose to take the path of least resistance. However, for ease of use and the ability to care more than what you could just on your back with less work they are hard to beat.
Trains: While the idea of having a large heavy vehicle that could simply run over an obstacle that is in it’s way may seem like the perfect idea the train is simply not that. The modern pseudo-tactical gamer who thinks they know everything, and think a dessert eagle is not only tactical but can be fired quickly and accurately, has long held that bigger is better. I name this the tank mentality. The bigger, the heavier, the more bang, the better whatever it is. Supersize it and paste a cannon on top and nothing can stop you, forget what common sense says and run everyone over. A train might seem ideal for transport but their possible courses are easily found and either blocked or destroyed all together. Trains also bring the issue of a learning curve that a train is not something that you can simply jump in and drive. But together the requirement for training, the fixed courses, and the great consumption of fuel, a train is perhaps the worst possible choice, next to a skateboard, or a unicycle.
On Foot: Unless you are missing a leg or confined to a wheelchair you standard means of motion are your own legs. From time immemorial man has moved across countries and continent on his own two feet. While you do not have the ability to carry luxury items that you might with a truck or even a car, or the mechanical advantage of a bicycle, walking has the advantage of not having to worry about mechanical failure. While you are still open to the element being on foot means that you will be able to more readily disappear into the brush, maneuver past obstacle, and in general hide from hostiles or sneak around those who might do you harm, be they living or undead variety. With some keen wits, and a little training this very well might be your best bet when your survival is at stake.
Comments (64)







McLuvin on 23 Jun 2010 at 10:24 pm #
I think the best idea is to load up a good solid SUV with all your gear and head to your pre-arranged remote location. Once there you will rely heavily on bike and foot transport. The more you have set up ahead of time the easier your stay will be. Bicycles and foot travel would not be recommended in even a moderately infested area. Trains, as stated, would be about useless.
Semper Cogitant on 24 Jun 2010 at 12:08 am #
Yeah, trains would be useless as a vehicle, maybe as a fixed fortress or something if you found one with a lot of supplies, but otherwise useless.
A strong four wheel drive SUV or truck to get out of an area and to your safe place, preferable remote and high enough altitude to freeze in winter. Then your vehicle is a work truck, useful for foraging runs. Locally a motorcycle or ATV would be good as long as decent gasoline is available, maybe a mountain bike after that, or horse if that’s available, otherwise it’s Shank’s mare.
Don’t forget a boat if you are near water.
As for fuel, have diesel vehicles if possible, fuel is fairly easy to make from any type of oil or fat you can find, even used motor oil. You won’t ever have a huge amount of fuel that way, but you can make enough to use a truck or SUV for local work and foraging.
Ronin666 on 24 Jun 2010 at 8:31 am #
Once the fuel is gone horses are lookin good. Of course not much good to me, horses and I have a long standing agreement that I’d stay off their backs and they would stay off mine.
Camels would be even better, much higher up for a start and no shortage of them round here. Of course learning to break and ride a camel….. walking is looking good, maybe I need a wheelbarrow or a shopping cart…..
McGuyvering up a steam powered vehicle is looking good in the long run
Arkham on 24 Jun 2010 at 10:56 am #
A form of fuel that a lot of people tend to overlook is home heating oil. It is virtually identical to diesel fuel and can be burned in a standard diesel engine without any modification. While I don’t advocate depending on any internal combustion engine long term during an outbreak it is something to keep in mind that might get you and your family out of a sticky situation.
beans on 24 Jun 2010 at 11:43 am #
First of all great pictures for this thread(V8 interceptors from MAD MAX),
Second while its true fuel does spoil but if treated and mixed right even after a few years if you start with something about 100-110 octane youed still be at about 80 octane or so that should run in most modern engines though not well you would be better off using it in an older vehicle like an old carbuerated straight or V6 or V8, as to finding the higher octane’s small town airports or small aricraft hangers would have 500-1000 gallons on hand for the small cesnas and the like(well thats where we get it here we use it in our dirt track racer). As to maneuverability what about dirt bikes and atv’s.
Angryvikingman on 24 Jun 2010 at 12:39 pm #
This is where electric cars would come in handy. I know the forlifts where I work run for about 10-12 hours on a single charge. And next door to us in Pillsbury, theres a battery charging bank with about 50 huge forklift batteries. Take the motor from the forklift and somehow fit it to a car chassis, and you’d have a sustainable source of energy for traveling. At least within a certain radius. Also, propane or butane could be used. There is a lot of that available and I don’t think that it spoils, although I could be wrong about that.
3-15 INF on 24 Jun 2010 at 1:13 pm #
this is like the 3 rd time wev’e discussed this
kfnnnp on 24 Jun 2010 at 2:17 pm #
Well, I can only say if practicality is to be your forté, then there is only one choice.
The Tesla Model S.
This is an electric car with rechargeable batteries that can be charged from ANY outlet. Even a human powered dynamo!
Here are the stats:
- 300 mile range
- 45 minute QuickCharge
- 0-60 mph in 5.6 seconds
- Seats 7 people
- More cargo space than sedans
- 17 inch infotainment touchscreen
“The world’s first mass-produced electric vehicle offers performance, efficiency and unrivaled utility for a base price of $49,900*, making it the only car you’ll ever need.” – Quote directly from their website.
Plus, it’s an electric, so it’s really quiet. No need to disturb your zombiefied neighbours if you need to slip out quietly early in the morning
sean on 24 Jun 2010 at 2:55 pm #
you could always produce biofuel in order to stretch what little gas or diesel there would be left, but ideally you could make your own fuel indefinately if you have a diesel car or truck, potentially you could make your own bio fuel on the go in small batches as long as there are grease bins or other sources of oil to process.
specially equipped Guardsman on 24 Jun 2010 at 4:41 pm #
Maybe I’m being naive but I think trains would be an excellent means of moving people and supplies from one fortified safe zone to another. I rather like civilization and while I expect Zed to give it to us but good in the early stages, I’m planning on taking the country back…. Not by myself of course. That means moving bulk supplies from secure factories to to the field forces. I think trains fit the bill nicely.
McLuvin on 24 Jun 2010 at 8:17 pm #
Once we have survived the initial wave and are slowly taking back real
estate, trains may play a vital role. During the first days when we are
just trying to survive amid the chaos, trains will be mostly useless.
The biggest drawback is that they tend to run through populated areas.
Unless you can pre-arrange a hideout near a railroad track in the middle
of nowhere you will be around too many people and zombies to survive
the early days.
If the surviving americans can get organised during the extermination of
the zombies, railroads could be good safe ways to move supplies and people
to forts built with access from the train roof.
Semper Cogitant on 24 Jun 2010 at 9:30 pm #
Angry bring up a good point I hadn’t considered. There are a lot of small electric vehicles, fork lifts, gold carts and others. Most could be easily modified with light armor and solar charging.
They are not fast, but don’t need to be. They are small and maneuverable, and would be especially useful in city or town areas with streets crowded with disabled cars.
specially equipped Guardsman on 25 Jun 2010 at 8:53 am #
Also I’m a big fan of airships. difficult to master? yes. infrastructure intensive? yes. But they offer a number of advantages in the post Z-Day world. Long range, fuel efficient, stable firing platform, the ability to hover for extended period. the ability bypass traffic jams all together.
Jared on 25 Jun 2010 at 9:26 am #
Everyone has overlooked the biggest source of ready to use fuel….. wood. Ever hear of a gasifier? You have an inner chamber you put wood into and an outter chamber you put burning wood in. The inner chamber if done right gets hot enough to make the combustables in the wood in the inner chamber form a gas and you can use it to power any combustable motor.
The airport idea is good, but you have to remember to get the right fuel. Jet fuel is pretty much kerosene… a car cannot run on that. Avgas is usually leaded which extends its life, and keeps an engine from knocking and I would reccommend sawing off the catalytic converter as lead will mess it up.
Ronin666 on 26 Jun 2010 at 5:47 pm #
Airships? Sooooo theres a dealer at the end of the street is there with a couple of dozen tied up waiting? Any form of flight unless you know how to do it now, is pointless, learning on the job tends end in ” oh the humanity ” followed by zeds having BBQ that day.
McLuvin on 27 Jun 2010 at 10:07 am #
The BCM ARs are highly regarded. You should be well served with one.
Piston guns are a good idea in theory. Some have issues with bolt-tilt that might actually make them less reliable than DI guns. They are also mostly way overpriced. Most companies basically just added a piston to their basic design and then doubled the price. If you are interested in a good piston design go with one designed from the ground up like a MSAR, SIG 556, XCR. In reality, nobody I know has ever had an issue with a standard DI AR. Even through heavy competition use and general neglect mine have never failed. I will personally wait until the piston systems are perfected and the prices come down before I go with one.
Kain - ZAC Weapon Consultant on 27 Jun 2010 at 12:31 pm #
@ specially equipped Guardsman:
Bravo company seems to be a pretty decent AR. I’ve seen them around for a long time and I’ve never seen anyone trash them, compared to say DPMS. Personally I own a Bushmaster and everyone I seems to know has Rock River. That said, why the Mid-length? Just out of curiosity. CDNN has S&W MP15s, I believe the optics ready carbine for 599.99. Almost bought it just because. Also, DS Arms has a mid-length that is pretty good, have handled them and everything I’ve ever heard they are damn good rifles. As far as gas piston goes, I fully agree with Mcluvin. A lot of the designs still have gremlins, even, or especially it seems, the really high priced jobs. The SCAR I know for a fact has been plagued with issues, that and their accuracy is down right disappointing. The XCR I’ve heard has had issues with pieces flying off as you are shooting. If you really want a gas piston design though LWRC I think makes the best one out there at the moment, my opinion. I’m going to wait a few years before I even think about a gas piston AR platform. That said, DI is fine for what most people will do with it and as long as you up keep it you’ll be fine, but then you already know that. Also, slightly off topic, if you are want the most possible accuracy go DI all the way, the piston systems don’t seem able to match the accuracy of the DI systems, regardless. Best of luck with your choice, the next question though, what you going to put on it? Rails, optics, other accessories? My opinion, unless your SF or something, a quality optic and not much else, my opinion, and yes my AR does have a rail, light, aimpoint, and a few others things.
“They won’t get me they won’t get me thought they never cease to try
they won’t get me they won’t get me I would rather fight and die
they won’t get me they won’t get me well my friend will they get you?
when they get you when they get you tell me what are you gonna do?”
Dropkick Murphys – The Gauntlet
jay on 27 Jun 2010 at 3:02 pm #
@ specially equipped Guardsman.
when you do get your hands on a “airship” drop by and pick me up lol
@ angry
electric wont last long unless you have a sorce of keeping them battery’s charged up but a overall good idear.
i reckon everyone will have to make it on foot or push bike at some point because things dont last forever and were all soon start to run out
specially equipped Guardsman on 27 Jun 2010 at 5:38 pm #
@kain
Why a mid length? mostly its aesthetic, I just don’t like the look of that much barrel sticking out past the front site post. Secondarily, I want to keep the ability to mount a bayonet. Just in case zack comes up on me during a stoppage…..It could happen.
Speaking of which I have a Bushmaster now and the only time I’ve every had a stoppage was after putting about 40 rounds of Wolf through it in two minutes. failure to extract on the last round. I don’t shoot wolf anymore. So maybe I’ll wait on the piston.
As for accessories, I’m currently working with the Marines and I like the grip/bipod they use. Haven’t made up my mind yet about optics, maybe an EOTech. I’m thinking about an ACOG, good enough for the Marine Corps right? I like the idea of some magnification My eyes aren’t what they once were. But there almost as much as the Rifle. I might just stick to iron sights. at least until x-mas.
Ronin666 on 27 Jun 2010 at 7:20 pm #
By the way, everyone seems to love the Mad Max cars. Dammed if I know why. They were an XC Ford Falcon coupe from 1978. They have an aftermarkart nose cone stuck on them that spoiled the reasonably good looking original car. They could be had with 250cube in line six, a 302 or a 351 in either auto or 4 speed manual. By 1978 the 351 was already being strangled by anti-pollution gear, the previous model the XB was available in GT form with a hi performance version of the 351 and was a true muscle car, the XY GT from 72 was the worlds fastest 4 door sedan (no two door version was available).
The blower on the mad max car was a fake, there were several replica’s doing the rounds of the car shows at the times, in fact a friend of mines father built one and showed it for a few years, They were not good to drive, they were rear end heavy and had poor rear vision thru the deeply angled rear window. In 78 they also reduced the thickness of the steel used in the panels and changed the painting method resulting in the XC being a bit of a rust bucket.
CompShooter on 27 Jun 2010 at 8:13 pm #
My 2 cents…I try to think long term on some of my firearms when it comes to battery powered this and that. I keep my Bushmaster XM15 E2S CAR to the basics (learned that from CMP (Civilian Marksmanship Program..Formerly DCM) no lasers, touch pad flashlights or NVG attachments. (not permitted in competition) Gotta think about a year or nine down the road. Those button type batteries or any batteries are the last you may ever see and they have a finite shelf life. Even that case you managed to grab while foraging eventually will be used up. Those Trijicon accupoint , ACON or Aimpoint scopes would be useless after a while and if you have relied on those as your only weapon sight without a standard iron peep sight backup then what? (A sort of case in point exists in the gamming world of MW4 White house chapter after the EMP) I do have a luminated assisted crosshair but it does not rely on batteries for the crosshair itself. When they go dead the scope will still be useable and since it is a flat top I can put my A3 carry handle on as well. My other AR-15 A2 HB is 20 ” stainless full float DCM legal for comp and shoot iron sights 200 300 and 600 yds with Sierra 69gr HPBT. I know that Einstein was talking about nuclear war but when he said “I don’t know how man will fight World War III, but I do know how they will fight World War IV; with sticks and stones.”I do believe it is still relevent to a global zed conflict, After all they have time and logistics on their side.
IMHO
CompShooter on 27 Jun 2010 at 10:23 pm #
Back on topic of out running the horde. IF and I say IF you lived where the was an oil well you can crack the crude oil through distillation. Hell, they did it back in 1859!! gasoline was a by product of kerosine production at the time when whale oil got too expensive. the next fuel after gasoline is diesel on the scale of carbon chains, and at the time both was dumped out with not real use before the internal combustion engine.It’s only a lost art not an imposible one.I live in michigan and there is low yield oil wells here that primarily produce natural gas and the oil is syhponed off as a secondary product. If the well is secured and with proper knowledge (not unabtainable) a basic still could be built to make several or more gallons daily to keep vehicles and any engine driven machine in use long term. (lubercating oil is among this process as well)
Angryvikingman on 28 Jun 2010 at 3:04 am #
@jay
Refer to my generator making article. Problem solved.
jay on 28 Jun 2010 at 6:46 am #
well then that is problem solved. but why not go out and buy one i bought one for £69.99 and it runs perfect and is quiet as hell
Angryvikingman on 28 Jun 2010 at 1:13 pm #
It was mainly for people who didn’t have one, so they could make one, or make a large scale power generation facility. When the gas runs out, then what will we feed the generators? The ones I mentioned were for environmentally available fuel or locations with water.
CompShooter on 28 Jun 2010 at 9:28 pm #
well, as I remember Mad Max , they did use a weiand blower at least for a close up or a functional shot. After that, it’s HOLLYWOOD editing.
Jason on 29 Jun 2010 at 3:24 pm #
As others have said, diesel truck/ SUV for getting to your stronghold, then switch to other means of transportation. I think the boat idea is extremely good. Fast movement without any motor ( canoe ) and also fish to eat ( if the water isn’t polluted ). Other than a boat, a dirtbike or ATV would be very good (dirtbike the best )
wheelgunner on 29 Jun 2010 at 5:46 pm #
I think we’re fucked, and whatever is nearest is what we are going to be largly stuck with. No?
personfromthatplace on 29 Jun 2010 at 8:58 pm #
If I rely on a car during a zombie infestation, I will either have te car outfitted with a steam engine, or a thing to make woodgas with.
Sharpshooter on 02 Jul 2010 at 1:12 pm #
Recently come across a gas generator. Worth bringing along? I believe so. If anyone is interested in seeing it lemme know, as far as I know it’s only been used 2 maybe 3 times.
Angryvikingman on 02 Jul 2010 at 3:57 pm #
Crap, also forgot to mention I put up a vid showing how to kill and process a chicken. Have fun!
Semper Cogitant on 03 Jul 2010 at 11:05 am #
@Guardsman – Bravo Company is a good way to go. I don;t have a rifle made by them, but I have one I built mostly with parts from Bravo Company. Good stuff at decent prices.
re: worries about running out of electricity – This need never happen as long as you have a place and a little bit of time. As we’ve discussed in detail here, electricity is easy to come by, so easy that we all had out own ways of doing it.
re: Angry’s chicken video – processing game, chicken, rabbit, deer, whatever, is a skill we should all be familiar with. How to hunt and how to raise small animals, and how to kill and butcher them is a vitally important survival skill.
wheelgunner on 05 Jul 2010 at 1:15 am #
Few quick notes on for the fellers in favor of small boats.
-Tipping is a big problem, expecially if there are any hungry zeds in those shallows your about to paddle through, somebody starts shooting at you, or you catch the runs from that scavenged grub you’re living on.
- At least check out bow fishing techniques, though I recomend matchete or spear for this type of surving. It’s effective enough to be illegal.
- Watch out for other survivers! Viking style raids n petty scavenging will end you, and may compromise you or your craft n a heartbeat. These will probably be the rule instead of the exception.
- Try to find a row boat if you can. More ergonomic n the long run, n they can generally take more abuse, as well as being harder to tip than a canoe in most situations.
- You will still spend a quarter to half your time ashore for camping and such. As long as you have the one craft, you will also be stuck in certin depth and temperments of water.
jay on 05 Jul 2010 at 3:16 pm #
we need another topic.
Angryvikingman on 05 Jul 2010 at 5:10 pm #
We’re working on it. Mainly Kain and I are the only writers. We work and have lives as well. Also, this weekend is a national holiday. Just chill, we’ll have something up soon.
ThatScoutKid on 05 Jul 2010 at 9:07 pm #
I had an idea! Okay so this may be a little off topic but i was thinking that NASCAR jumpsuit would make some excellent armor. As far as i know it is a tough, rip resistant, fire retardant, breathable suit that could easily stop any bite and possibly even small caliber bullets. if not you could modify it to your needs with armor or storage. I don’t know a lot about NASCAR, but as far as i know, they would be amazing armor.
Thoughts?
jay on 06 Jul 2010 at 3:27 am #
well why dont you let other people write out a topic some people have good idears on this site.
Semper Cogitant on 08 Jul 2010 at 1:23 pm #
I like the idea of an airship, except for a few little details. Can’t get one, can’t improvise one, can’t easily get helium keep one filled. You could as well talk about how great it would be to have a flying aircraft carrier, because you’ll have neither.
Now, a hot air balloon has it’s uses. Tethered it’s a great observation post and a fair sniping platform. Untethered, if you know what you’re doing, it might be a good means of escaping an area, overflying a heavily infested area, or crossing great distances for whatever reason. Perhaps you learned about a safe zone several hundred miles away and your area is heavily overrun and low on resources, if it’s in the right direction a balloon will get you there.
Also, another important consideration for a ground vehicle, which is more on topic, is getting through a crown of zombies when there’s no way around. I think my F-250 would do that admirable, though of course in tight spaces I’d be stuck. With the right skills and tools, and enough time, you might manage something like a cow catcher on most any car, enabling you to push through a horde you can’t get around.
ThatScoutKid on 12 Jul 2010 at 1:28 am #
alright guys, dont be hatin, but i picked up a hi point 995ts yesterday for 270 bucks. that included a forward grip and background check. i took it shooting in the woods today before work, and the thing shot great! out of 200 rounds there were no jams misfires, ftf, or anything. it was decently accurate too, considering that i was freestanding. only down side it has so far is that it only has 10 round mags for it. thinkin about getting a keltec sub-2000 next.
Speren on 12 Jul 2010 at 1:43 am #
Depending on the type of train, I agree most would be useless. However, if you could find (and learn how to safely operate) an electric train, then some modifications would allow you to use it succussfully and long term.
First you would have to gut the first car behind the engine. Then build a steam powered generator in that car. Gut the second car and use it for storing whatever you are burning in your generators boiler, i.e. wood, coal, whatever.
At that point once you add some armor plating to prevent aggressors from damaging the engine and the first two cars, you can do whatever you need to with the remaining cars.
As for the point that trains tend to travel through populated areas, that is true, but even in major cities, the parts of town that cargo trains tend to congregate in are normally not heavily occupied with people. Granted that having a train become active when none have been active for a while will eventually draw attention, but it will take time for either zombies or other survivors to make their way to you. If survivors do reach you, there is always a chance that they might be useful people looking to join forces. I can only hope that when actually faced with a zombie horde, most people will begin to see that survival of the species is important enough to put aside petty looting and the pointless raiding and killing of fellow survivors. Also, for every populated area that a train travels through, there tends to be miles and miles track through open country.
It wouldn’t be a last ditch plan, but if you know you are going to have to abandon your safe zone and can take the time to choose your means of travel I think the train would be an effective choice.
Also, while an airship may not be something easily improvised, a hot air balloon could be and then a peddle system could be rigged to provide propulsion. Again, not something that could be done last minute, but ultimately, the more prepared one is the better their chances of survival.
“Train like you fight.”
Speren on 12 Jul 2010 at 1:55 am #
Sorry for two posts, but as an additional side note, I’d like to state that I really am not looking at this from the bigger is better side of things. Mostly my thinking was that a train, far from being a mobile fortress or tank on tracks, would be more like a mobile community where different cars would serve different purposes. One would be a clinic while another would be a recovery room. Mess hall and bunks for single survivors, cars for families, a “school house”, store rooms. Ultimately to be able to pull the most cars, and subsequently the most survivors and supplies, the only cars that could be armored would be the engine, the generator car, the car with the fuel which wouldn’t be necessary unless the fuel being used was combustible, and the armory car.
Of course I have no actual tactical experience or anything, I’m just kicking around ideas that I’ve been working on since I became convinced that some form of collapse will probably happen within my life time.
“Train like you fight.”
Angryvikingman on 12 Jul 2010 at 8:12 pm #
My buddy has one of those Hi-Points. Its pretty accurate. It groups pretty tight at 25 yards. I put all 10 rounds in the 10 ring. I only don’t like the mag capacity. If they’d have made it take double stack hi-cap glock mags, i’d like it a lot more. 10 rounds vs 33 = survival.
ThatScoutKid on 13 Jul 2010 at 12:28 am #
that’s why i want to invest in a kel-tec next. compatible with all glock mags, and it folds in half. looks like it might fit in my new back pack.
but yeah its a really great little gun. im running low on 9mm though so i cant take it out again for awhile
Kain - ZAC Weapon Consultant on 14 Jul 2010 at 12:35 am #
I’ve shot the Keltec carbine. It grouped well except it wasn’t at the point of aim, unfortunatly it wanted to shoot about our inches to the right, regardless of who shot it, or how far you cranked the sights to change teh point of impact. The buddy of mine who had it sold it because he couldn’t get it to shoot where it was aimed. I have heard that there is an aftermarket front sight for the carbine that fixes this problem if you get a Keltec carbine look into that it might make it a better carbine. Or, you could slap a optic on it but that would ruin the compactness of it. Do let us know when you get one, I’d be interested in how it worked for you. I’ve seen then new for under three hundred, used for less than that, good luck shooting.
Now, ain’t that just way off topic? Lol!
“They won’t get me they won’t get me thought they never cease to try
they won’t get me they won’t get me I would rather fight and die
they won’t get me they won’t get me well my friend will they get you?
when they get you when they get you tell me what are you gonna do?”
Dropkick Murphys – The Gauntlet
ThatScoutKid on 14 Jul 2010 at 5:38 am #
under 300 you say? i don’t have a lot of gun shops around here so i would have too look in the surrounding towns. if that doesn’t work out i might have to order online. know anywhere else i could look into?. either way id have to wait three or four more weeks to have enough left over for spending money. but yeah if i do invest in it, ill definetly tell you guys how it goes.
spartnrnger P77 on 01 Aug 2010 at 10:43 pm #
If you don’t mind drawing a lot of attention to yourself use an old duce&ahalf they can run on just about anything fuel related! Also horses may not be the best choice for some but if you need an all terrain vehicle that runs on grass…… Also they could make an invaluable early warning system if they catch a whiff of a decaying zombie. just sayin’ berate if you want (many of my friends don’t like the idea of horses as transportation. they complain about “saddle sores.” Ha!) Better saddle sores than infection followed by bullet to the brain.
wheelgunner on 11 Aug 2010 at 10:00 pm #
I like the horse idea myself. May not be the best idea right off, but next to a boat, perhaps, it does have the greatest amount of coverable terrain, provided you want to save your feet, or carry more specialized tools for survival. Naturally, like you, they will need rest days, and special care to keep up, but it;s not like you don’t have the rest of your life to do it in. Plus, you can eat them! So long as cars are still around, the horse is still obsolete in all but the most rugged conditions. They do present one interesting option, provided some jading or special training. For anti-zed operations, you once again have a hit and run platform of some endurance, and if you do find a way to go the melee route, the knight route is a much better idea, provided you can train the horse to get that close to a shambling corpse. They are sensitive about such things.
McLuvin on 12 Aug 2010 at 6:17 pm #
Wheelgunner, it looks like the KT carbine is available on Gunbroker for around $350.
It is a much better gun for $80 more. Just being able to use Glock mags is worth that.
wheelgunner on 12 Aug 2010 at 8:09 pm #
Not my post, but thanks McLuvin. One of my buddies had one that another buddy broke, though. Nice shooting. He still frets over loosing it. They are running about that out here. I have a Winchest ’73 for when I want a pistol-rifle. Coke cans at 110 yards. That, is a nice shooting gun.
big bear29 on 09 Oct 2010 at 9:35 pm #
I have personally been looking into getting a surplus military vehicle . Some type of amphibious multi wheeled vehicle . Now most military vehicles suck in terms of speed , fuel effeciency , and max operating range , alot of that could be fixed by doing some personal modifications to the vehicle . First off you likely won’t need the half inch thick armor that most military vehicles have , you could strip that off and replace it with steel plates a quarter of an inch thick or even an eighth of an inch thick , this will keep you protected from the zombies and still provide some protection against trigger happy survivors that want your stuff . Once you remove that armor and replace it with something lighter you will notice that the vehivle can move faster , has slightly increased range and doesn’t go through quite as much fuel . But you still might need to put in a better transmission and engine , since some of the ones that come standard with them aren’t all that great . Having an engine in your vehicle of choice that can run off of multiple fuels will be a major asset .
However eventually fuel will get harder and harder to come by so it should only be used in emergencies , when you have to flee an area or if you have to do some long range scavenging . I would recommend that people have some form of alternative , horses , camels , elephants or bikes . Personally I think riding around on an elephant shooting zombies during the apocalypse would be pretty cool , also their height would give you a better view of whats goining on around you and keep you away from the zombies . Also with their size and thick skin the only real threat to them would be other human survivors .
big bear29 on 09 Oct 2010 at 9:46 pm #
After reading through the posts again I noticed a fuel type that nobody suggested . CRAP . Yes you read that right . There are ways of modifiying vehicles to run off the methane given off by crap , garbage and U.S. politicians . Just think about it , so long as there are people there will always be more of this fuel and it gets rid of a mess that would be stinking up the area around your bunker . Plus if any politicians survived you could just run a hose from them to your car and you would have enough fuel for life .
survivorone on 23 Oct 2010 at 11:56 am #
Let’s face it,in a scenario in which zombies and people somehow co-exist in a city,by means of high preparedness and defense,eg. a city in which there are heavily guarded areas protected by remotely-controlled guns,drones serving the whole city,etc.,and in which a defended building is considered safe,using a skateboard or a BMX to ride in the unprotected areas would be ideal.Also,consider parkour too!!!
big bear29 on 29 Oct 2010 at 2:28 pm #
Cities would be a no-go unless for scavenging . The first time there is a fire it will gut the entire city including sky scrapers . Same goes for the suburban areas , first time a fire starts it would turn into one giant bon fire .
big bear29 on 30 Oct 2010 at 7:28 pm #
One type of vehicle that could be used as an apc/mobile pillbox is a garbage truck . The container where the trash is stored is really just a large one to two inch thick steel box , remove the compacter machinery and cut a bunch of firing slits in the sides of the container and you have a vehicle that is perfect for bugging out or giving support in large scavenging operations . But first you will likely have to wash it out with bleach several times or you won’t be able to tolerate the smell . It would also be best to remove the smaller fuel tanks and mount the one hundred gallon fuel tanks like you see on some semi trucks .
Also rather than convert it into a transport you could take a trash truck that is used to empty the large box dumpsters like you see at some stores and use it to kill the zombies . Find one of the garbage trucks with the two forks in front of the truck , the type that lift the dumpster over the front of the truck and dump the contents into the container from directly above . Now weld a steel bar or I-beam between the two forks and weld a sharpened steel spike to the beam every six to eight inches . Now you have a giant pitchfork mounted on the front of your garbage truck now just drive through a large group of zombies and once you have enough on the fork just raise them up and dump them into the container and crush them into pulp with the compacter .
ronald on 18 Nov 2010 at 9:07 pm #
U guy over looked one fat from animals you burn that or melt it and the oil can be used to run a tractor or diesel truck
ronald on 18 Nov 2010 at 9:12 pm #
This often used or farms and at slaughter house to run there lifts although it gives off a bad smell and may bring more geeks it very good yum yum!!!!!
ronald on 29 Nov 2010 at 9:47 pm #
I got a better idea how about going to like I don’t know a military base after its cleared out and the dead are picked off by snipers and if anyone is looking for sniper I’m pretty good I have been practicing and I can hit up to 400 yards I don’t know how many meters that is but I get better every day so and I’m only 14 hopefully the apopcalips come during or after I’m in the army
Semper gumbii on 02 Dec 2010 at 10:31 pm #
Everyone talks about when gas and batteries go out, and in the same sentence talk about what fancy guns they have. Better start looking at flint-locks, crossbows and homemade bows better start coming into plan, because without primers and brass your baretta sig M4500A27 won’t be anything more than an easily broken club. With that said:
Horses look like the best ATV’s you could get. After that, something electric. You could make an easy hydro, solar or air generator out of a few magnets and copper wire. Any old electric motor can be rewired into an electric generator, even ran by hand if needed.
ronald on 07 Feb 2011 at 5:10 pm #
Ya I have also 2 crossbows, longbow and comnound bow I like the compound very light and strough. I just got 10 aroows for each just the other day. (100) each boW
david on 27 Apr 2011 at 12:06 pm #
i think the best option to go for in the mode of transportation, especially considering that a vehicle might sit for awhile is solar power, the sun wont die when most of the population does, so why not use it, its self powering, available almost, 2 thirds of the day, and will never disappear. atleast not in our lifetime. so, in my personal opinion seeing that i would bunker down and use the vehicle, such as a hummer, mobile home, or some big monsterous vehicle, and only use the vehicle to gain supplies and explore unfamiliar turf, this would be very good indeed.
UK Survivor on 06 Jun 2011 at 4:39 pm #
Has any one thought about buggys the one seater off road ones ?
They are cheap and are not heavy on the gas also are manoverable through disabled cars and other problems you may pass, also have a littled cage on the back wich can be modifyed into a boot for all of your scavaging missions.
And search on youtube Petrol bike and it is a small engine you add to a push bike of choice so you can pedal or you can ride it like a moterbike ,
Its is extreamly good for mpg and are very cheap . Hope this help with you z-day prep.