Training to survive
What kind of training will most closely resemble the kind of shooting you will have to do after the fall of man? What shooting skills will you need to learn? Short of military training, the next best thing is professional training at facilities like Blackwater, or Frontsight, but what if you barely have enough money in your budget for bullets? What should you do? ZAC suggests that you get involved in a practical shooting organization or take an NRA sponsored civilian marksmanship program.
There are many practical shooting organizations, but two of the most wide spread and best known are IDPA and IPSC. ZAC further suggests you get involved in 3 Gun shooting.
3 gun is a type of shooting that involves a military style rifle, shotgun, and pistol. You transition between all three weapons during the stages, shooting for the most accuracy in the best time. It hones your skills with all 3 weapons simultaneously. However, both of these groups have independent shotgun, pistol, and rifle matches. Learning to shoot against people with a better skill set is the best way to hone your speed and ability. It may be frustrating at first, but you will get better as you train and compete.
Other training organizations can be found through the NRA. One of the best is the Appleseed Project. It teaches you marksmanship at ranges beyond 100 yards.
ZAC encourages you to do your own research, find clubs, and organizations that you like and practice the shooting skills that could save your own life, as well as others.
Comments (62)
McLuvin on 11 Mar 2011 at 11:20 pm #
My god I thought I was seeing things when a new thread was at the top of the page.
Good advice. Every shooter will improve through training and competition. No matter if you are a beginner or a grandmaster, more trigger time will make you better. IDPA and especially IDPA style 3-gun matches are a fantastic way to prepare for the zombie apocalypse. They are also great fun.
Angryvikingman on 12 Mar 2011 at 12:10 am #
Yeah, I have a few more in the pipeline, having trouble with one. I’ll post another in a few days when we have some comments on this one.
Killjoy on 12 Mar 2011 at 4:41 pm #
I think shooting sports are a great way to improve you effective shooting skills, also hunting would be another idea if you want to learn to remain hidden by either sight or smell by using camo and de-odorizers or you could even do courses like nutnfancy has and just drill more towards accuracy with time being less important, after all a great score doesn’t mean much if you can’t connect.
McLuvin on 12 Mar 2011 at 6:25 pm #
In IDPA you can’t get a great score unless you connect. You need good hits to do well. USPSA/IPSC is a little more speed oriented.
big bear29 on 12 Mar 2011 at 6:54 pm #
I agree that hunting is a good way to improve ones skills , but only if the person is actually hunting their prey down not just sitting in a plywood box for six hours swilling beer and waiting for something to blunder into his killzone . I don’t consider such people to be hunters , if you are just sitting around waiting , then sooner or later something is bound to come along by sheer dumb luck .
I also don’t consider a person to be a good shot if they have to waste thirty rounds to get just a few head shots . To many times I would have to listen to an idiot rant about how awesome they are because they shot their stationary practice target three times in the head . Yet they had to empty three full handgun mags before they got those three head shots and only a third of their rounds ever hit the target at all .
Angryvikingman on 12 Mar 2011 at 7:20 pm #
LOL! I’ll have to do a speed shooting video and put it on here one day soon. Do a head shot mag dump from 10 yards. Last time I did at the range I only had 2 of 18 out of the head. Probably going to the range in the next week. So I’ll take video camera with me. I’m not saying I’m awesome, but I’m no slouch.
big bear29 on 12 Mar 2011 at 11:43 pm #
I’m not trying to say that making head shots is easy , but the moron in question was only 15 feet from his target and he couldn’t hit shit , at that range you should be able to throw the bullets and hit the target . The safest place to be if this goof ball was shooting at you would be directly in front of the gun . The only other time I saw shooting that bad was when the local cops where doing some practice shooting at the local gun range and they missed the target more often than they could hit it .
McLuvin on 12 Mar 2011 at 11:52 pm #
Cops are generally terrible shots. I managed a pistol range for years and have seen bad shooting of every kind. Universally, competition shooters are the best. I’ve shot with SWAT cops, SF soldiers, Security contractors, etc. and most are sub par pistol shooters.
Angryvikingman on 13 Mar 2011 at 12:40 am #
“The safest place to be if this goof ball was shooting at you would be directly in front of the gun .”
LOL! I love that. Yeah, there are some complete retards. I’m not gonna lie, I was horrible when I first picked up a pistol all those years ago, but after many thousands of rounds shot, I’m finally getting decent. I’ll tell you, now that I compete, I generally make a complete F-up of the first stage because I can’t calm down until I shoot a little. I really want to go to the IDPA run and gun pistol match next weekend, but my wife has to work that saturday. :(
HangMan on 13 Mar 2011 at 11:24 am #
I’m thinking about getting some land here pretty soon. I’m in colorado, a little to the west of most people, but still pretty centralized. If I do end up getting land I would be willing to let another zombie preparedness seminar take place there. Just thought I’d keep you all informed, nothing is deffinate yet. The person in question I’d be buying it from is getting older and is thinking of traveling the world for a few years. But key word being “thinking.”
CompShooter on 13 Mar 2011 at 5:57 pm #
I belong to a club that sometime does CMP shoots 200-300 yd and another club I know does 200 300 & 600 yd and bought several M1 Garands through the system over the years. Switched over to the AR a few years ago since everyone else has and if you want to stay competitive well…when in Rome. We used to do IPSC and had a blast but the members that put it on have moved away. Done some bowling pin comps too and a lot of steel silhouette (chicken, pigs, turkeys and rams)with pistol 25- 100 yd IDPA sounds great but Im in search of a a new club with a younger crowd that wants to do more than skeet n trap and sporting clays because for them “thats where the money is” been there since 84 and need a change big time. I agree about how some current and former law enforcement couldnt hit the side of a barn if they were standing in it. Our club rents out to the local SWAT team and while they dont let you at the firing line to watch them, I’ve seen their targets and backer boards in the trash and some are scary to think that they gave them a firearm. My cousin is the sheriff up north in the rual area where I live and range scores with handgun and shotgun are a factor when he hires deputies.
Angryvikingman on 13 Mar 2011 at 6:39 pm #
Yeah, I should hope so. Don’t they have to qualify every year? Seems if you have a gun on your hip, you damn well better be good with it. Especially if you’re a cop.
As for long distance shoots, I battle zeroed my Aimpoint at 50 yards, and I can and have hit targets 200 yards away with it. Last time at the range, I put 30 rounds down range at a 200 yard target and managed to put all but 11 into the torso on the target. I think 3 were in the head, and the rest were on the paper, if only just barely. I was shoulder firing it, not bench rest. I had to turn the dot intensity down until I could barely see it so I could see the target through the dot. Usually at that range, the dot covers the whole target. Unless I’m using magnified optics, I have a hard time hitting any farther than that with any accuracy. When I shoot long range I have a 16x mil-dot scope that I use. I can extend my range out to 500 yards with that. Best I ever hit at that range was just getting it on paper. I’m not a great long distance shooter. Under 300 yards and generally I can hit anything I’m aiming at. As I have said many times though, I’ve been target shooting since I was 4, and my dad MADE me practice.
McLuvin on 14 Mar 2011 at 12:13 am #
Cops do have to qualify at least once a year, but their standards are low. Short range, huge target, relatively low percentage of hits required. It’s funny that they are worried about civilians carrying guns.
big bear29 on 14 Mar 2011 at 2:59 am #
The police are required to qualify at ranges of 3 , 5 , 7 , 15 and 25 yards using 50 rounds of ammo . They are encouraged to get most of their shots in the 3 , 5 and 7 yard targets incase they miss some at the 15 and 25 yard targets . Apparantly they have trouble hitting their targets if they are outside of spitting distance . If they have a high percentage of hits at close range then it is excused if they miss a lot of the 15 and 25 yard range targets . It seems that some departments will pass an officer even if only half their shots hit because a lot of departments operate under the belief that by taking the test they qualify to carry a gun and by simply hitting the target at close range they are considered competent with a handgun .
Pretty scary isn’t it , that the police only have to qualify at ranges where a person could probably throw the bullets as accurately as they could shoot them . Also some cops have begun to petition to have the 15 and 25 yard range requirement targets removed because so many cops can’t hit the target at that range and it interferes with their gun qualification scores , which makes people question their competance with a gun .
Personally I think that unless these guys get a 100 percent rating for each of the three close range targets and at least an 80 percent rating for each of the 15 and 25 yard targets as well as a 75 percent rating for a 50 yard target they should not be allowed to carry anything deadlier than a taser . If my tax dollars are going towards paying these guys wages I better get what I’m paying for . If they can’t hit the target then they should be put on desk , dispatcher or jailer duty . If they fail the gun qualification course they should get two more chances to pass and if they don’t then they either start performing some duty that doesn’t require them to carry a gun or they get fired .
Angryvikingman on 14 Mar 2011 at 3:27 am #
Ha Ha hahahahahaha! Well look at it this way, a lot of police go their whole careers without discharging their weapons in the line of duty, and the majority of deadly confrontations take place inside of 10 yards, so bla bla bla bla…. If you really wanted them to be great shots, then police departments would all have to undertake mandatory marksmanship training. To get them all to a passable level, you’re looking at at least doubling the departments operating budgets by buying targets, bullets, hiring instructors, and paying overtime so that all the officers can put in the training time. I agree that a police force that can’t shoot well isn’t worth a damn, but also look at it this way, the police don’t prevent crime, they only clean up after and investigate.
I say that instead of police, they institute a civilian police force. The states should reimburse people who voluntarily take criminal law enforcement classes, and assign them a badge and let them buy a weapon of their choice for which they will also be reimbursed. They would be paid like the national guard, and be on duty at all times. In addition, they would be expected to take a state sponsored certification course, which would test knowledge of the law and firearms aptitude. You would be expected to qualify every three months. Or something like that. Kind of like the Swiss, everyone there does a stint in the military, and they keep their rifles after they get out and qualify every year. That way inaddition to their standing military, the entire adult population can be called up as militia. If everyone was a cop, then no one would break the law. Lol. Its a good idea in theory. It could use some fine tuning, and ironing out, but the base idea is sound.
Dude Manrod on 14 Mar 2011 at 11:13 am #
Im SO glad I don’t live in Europe.
McLuvin on 14 Mar 2011 at 11:25 am #
Accepting poor marksmanship because it’s more affordable is insane. Taxpayers are not responsible for civil servants to meet base requirements. If they can’t meet physical fitness, marksmanship, or knowledge minimums they should be terminated. If a firefighter couldn’t lift a ladder we wouldn’t expect taxpayers to buy gym memberships for the department. Basic requirements are the responsibility of the individual to maintain.
Angryvikingman on 14 Mar 2011 at 11:26 am #
I’ll have to see if I can get on the police ranges out here and ascertain my local police’s talent with their weapons.
big bear29 on 14 Mar 2011 at 12:28 pm #
@McLuvin
I agree with you whole heartedly . If these guys can’t maintain the standard then they need to go .
@Angryvikingman
I actually believe that a civilian police force would probably yield more results than the existing police force . Where I live , if you call the police it is not uncommon for it to take them a few hours to respond , if they come at all , and come to your home even though they are only four or five miles away . Criminals would be far less willing to break into some ones home if nearly everybody was a cop . There are a lot of people around here that will stand back and wait for the intruder to enter their home and once they are inside they will shoot them because it is considered self defense then , only after that will they call the police .
I know that most police shoot outs take place within ten yards but some of them still can’t hit squat within that range . I don’t know if the video is still floating around on the internet , but there is a video of two cops in a shoot out along side the road . These two cops got into a shoot out with a gang member when they pulled him over . Both of these cops fired all the rounds in their ten or fifteen round clips and not only did they fail to hit the gang member even once but they also completely missed the suburban that he was standing in front of and they where no more than nine feet from him . There are similar videos out there that show the poor accuracy of police . My favorite is the one where they start shooting at this one crazy drunk and he actually stops and starts looking around to try and find out what the hell they are shooting at . Because they not only missed him but they also missed most of the building that was behind him as well .
CompShooter on 14 Mar 2011 at 7:43 pm #
In the news today, they have a problem in Dayton Ohio and maybe elsewhere but they are in the news about lowering their test standards to keep police and fire fighters qualified.
big bear29 on 14 Mar 2011 at 8:42 pm #
@CompShooter
Yeah I heard about some of that too . It really sucks that they are trying to justify lowering the standards . Can’t meet the standards fine then we’ll lower the bar to make it easier for you to pass , because heaven forbid that you actually have to get off your but and practice on a regular basis . Given what they want to reduce the range to I guess a lot of the cops aren’t to concerned about stray shots in a packed neighborhood when they have to fire at somebody that is outside point blank range .
big bear29 on 15 Mar 2011 at 9:50 am #
There’s a legitimate reason for a zombie outbreak , to thin the moron heard and keep their numbers down .
Angryvikingman on 16 Mar 2011 at 12:13 am #
According to a friend of mine, who is a state trooper, they start at 25 yards, shoot 6 times, then move to 15. They shoot a total of 50 rounds and those have to only be in silhouette for it to count.
Ronin666 on 16 Mar 2011 at 1:27 am #
Police here in Aus are just as bad, except for the few that shoot competition. State, Federal and Customs all train at my range and I have to say Customs are the best shots AND handle their weapons far more safely and confidently, then again they are boarding possibly hostile vessels on a regular basis where the cops have to deal with possibly hostile donuts ( remember 95% of aussies are un-armed). Trainers are in short supply,I have friend who is a police weapons trainer and he is currently on loan to our Army! My range caretaker/range officer actually gives rookie cops their first lessons.
Unfortunately due to our stupid laws here we don’t have 3 gun comps,as we don’t have semi auto rifles or pump action shotguns, the closest thing is Cowboy and that’s what I shoot.(Pistols,lever rifle, DB shotgun and single shot rifle). the mindset and training is still the same, it’s about transitioning from one weapon to the next smoothly,quickly and getting on target.
“Hurry up and slow down, you can’t miss quick enough to win”
I used to shoot IPSC years ago but these days my body doesn’t like the running, kneeling stuff too much. I still shoot precision 25m pistol matches (targets face you for 3 seconds) and a few rifle matches from 50 to 200m but not as much as I’d like as the 200m range is a fair distance from home.
McLuvin on 16 Mar 2011 at 8:16 am #
In Ohio they shoot a couple shots at 50′ then move in closer for the rest. It’s around 50-60 shots total. They only need 80% hits if I recall correctly. By “hits” I mean somewhere on the target. Not necessarily good hits. Our course was revamped slightly a few years ago to include some movement. It is an improvement but still not adequate.
Ronin, I’m glad you guys still get to play some fun games down there. Cowboy action shooting is almost identical to IPSC 3-gun just set a hundred years ago. I’d like to see cowboy shooting go back to the way it started. The targets are now huge and close. It has become all about speed. I would like some smaller targets at a little farther distance to bring accuracy back into play.
Angryvikingman on 16 Mar 2011 at 8:57 am #
HA HA HA HA! Ronin, sounds like I need to get certified as a weapons instructor and move down there. They need a yank with some lead in his pencil to teach those noobs to shoot. What do your tactical teams do down there?
On a side note, they won’t even let you have pump shotguns? What about lever action shotguns? Seems like if they’ll let you have lever action rifle, then you could have a lever action shotgun. I guess I need to talk to my congressman about invading Austrailia and getting your rights restored.
Ronin666 on 17 Mar 2011 at 9:36 pm #
McLuvin, I agree about cowboy needing to get back to it’s roots. The pistol targets at 8 or 10m are a joke, there is no need to even aim, just point and shoot as they are plenty big enough. You would be amazed how many complain if ,when it’s my turn to make up the course of fire, I have them shooting the rifle targets at 25m with their pistols. Seriously ,if you can’t hit an 18inch square at 25m, get out of the game.
Angry, we can have lever shotguns, untill recently the repro’s weren’t known for their reliability tho, the one I had always failed to feed. The latest ones seem to have the issues sorted and I’m looking at getting another one soon. Oddly we can’t have pump shotguns but we can have pump rifles, the Remington 76** series is very popular here in 223 and 308.The 44mag pump actions are popular too especially with pig hunters in the dense bush.I think it was a matter of the law makers not even knowing there was such a thing as a pump rifle.
My trainer mate is actually in the US now doing some courses with the US SWAT etc, then he will come back and pass that info on to his students here. I’m looking into getting licensed as a trainer, however its VERY expensive. Just the course to be a recognized instructor (of anything) is $2k, then you have to actually get licensed to instruct in firearms, and each category is another license. The only good thing is that at the end of it all I would be allowed to own all the fun toys like pump shotguns and semi auto rifles. (Security Companies and farm owners with more than a certain size property can own these for pest eradication and so need to be trained)
The lack of guns here is a two edged sword really. Shootings are pretty rare which is good, but when there is a shooting the anti’s all scream to take away more guns. The fact that the legally licensed shooters had nothing to do with the shooting escapes their attention.
GaurdianAngel on 17 Mar 2011 at 11:43 pm #
picked up a ruger GP-100 earlier. ill make sure to tell you guys how it shoots this weekend.
GaurdianAngel on 18 Mar 2011 at 1:09 am #
well its my first personally but my dad and my sister both have 9mm,and my dad used to have a super 6 in 44mag so im not totally inexperienced with wheel guns. always loved the things. havn’t actually never seen his review. gonna have to go watch it. lol.
McLuvin on 18 Mar 2011 at 8:59 am #
I can understand why there isn’t as much love for the revolver. It takes a little more skill to shoot well. It’s definitely not for the average spray n’ pray paper puncher.
big bear29 on 18 Mar 2011 at 10:55 am #
Its sort of a trade off . From my experience the people that use revovers tend to be more accurate than a shooter with a semi auto handgun . Would you rather shoot fast or more accurately .
CompShooter on 18 Mar 2011 at 11:10 am #
I own several pistols and two revolvers. My first was the Ruger mark two .22 semi. but my second was a .357 model 586 with a full truss 8 3/8 ” barrel with a 4x Leopold for doing steel silhouette. I also own a semi 9mm and a 45 ACP. I only had a smoke stack jam once with a semi during a ISPC shoot but if that wasn’t a game and was a real life threatening encounter there could have been a different outcome whereas a revolver doesn’t have that possibility within the norm. I personally would still use a semi but pack a revolver backup for civilian everyday use. As I always suggest to people when they ask me about home protection that if they don’t regularly practice (with a pistol or revolver) get a 12 ga.This of course is assuming that the person does the appropriate training etc. But if they insist on getting a handgun and only use it for home protection, I tell them a revolver is least likely to fail for someone that doesn’t practice very often or consistently. Of course they get that look on their face like they would miss out on being some Hollywood action hero mowing down hoards of bad guys with a sexy lil semi auto than something out of the 1880′s. But still, I seen over the many years in competition where a person fumbles a safety, has a mag spring weakened by time and have feed failures from a bullet not seated all the way in the mag or the mag not seated completely and fall out. The most I have seen with revolvers personally is a primer that was not seated correctly and dragged on the back of the frame when I shut the clyinder. Revolvers have a lesser capacity and that is why you don’t typically see them in a speed shoot along with semi auto’s but do have a certain reliability that I cant deny.
Ronin666 on 19 Mar 2011 at 7:53 am #
I tend to think a lot of the semi-auto pistol love is pure advertising hype, there are always pictures of guys in combat gear saying how great the gun is or that you need this accessory.Sure if you are a LEO or a member of the armed forces and are going to be in a running gun battle, the capacity is nice to have. But chances are you and me and Joe Average will never be in that situation. Personally I don’t get into all the military firearms and their civie spin offs.I just don’t buy into the whole tactical thing, I like timber stocks and simple mechanics on a rifle. Nice thing about revolvers too is you don’t have to crawl around collecting your spent brass :)
Having said that I’ll probably buy a Browning HiPower this year, just to have a 9mm around. Yea, I’m old school, it comes with being old.
Angryvikingman on 19 Mar 2011 at 9:34 am #
I just like guns in general. I have some nice weapons with wood stocks, and they’ll always stay that way because they’d look stupid with a synthetic stock. I think that any bolt rifle thats used for hunting should have a wood stock. They look good and are heavy which helps steady the gun and reduces recoil. All these people buy new hunting rifles with synthetic sotck and say they love it because its lighter to carry into the woods, and bitch about how heavy a wood stock is, then they take their light rifle and get on their 4 wheeler and drive to a tree stand. What a bunch of horse shit. Its not like they’re even carrying it or holding it all day. Anyway, thats another thing that just pisses me off about people today. As for semi auto handguns, well, in my opinion they’re just as accurate as a wheel gun in the right hands. Military rifles I like because you can customize them so much. Also a lot of them are really very accurate and can help deliver multiple shots on target when all those deer start stampeeding towards you. lol!
GaurdianAngel on 19 Mar 2011 at 3:54 pm #
damn deer and their rebellions… anyway… i took the ruger out for a quick shoot before work yesterday. my dad and my uncle had a blast as well. the .38s are fun,low recoil, and still accurate,but you guys all know how that is. the .357′s were exhilarating, you could feel the shockwave pass through you more than on a 7mm mag or a 30-06. as of now the gun is more accurate than me. the single action was almost nimble, and the double action was nearly as good. the general cylinder area did get dirty pretty quick, but i think it looks cool. also a very heavy gun, but i think it helps with the magnums. overall, id definitely recommend.
Clifford "Ozzie" Nicolen on 20 Mar 2011 at 2:42 pm #
Hey, everyone. Sorry I haven’t posted anything in awhile. Realized that I had no life, Then I realized that people with lives tend to be total jerks!
I think it would be fun to participate in a 3 gun, I’m not sure if there are any around where I live though. Are they held in every shooting range or just select ones?
CompShooter on 20 Mar 2011 at 3:21 pm #
The ranges around me dont all have the same games. I would call your local range(s) and ask what tournaments they do and if they are open to the public or non members, and check their websites if they have one. Check what equipment you need. Example, my very first ISPC they would not alow shoulder rigs due to the 90 deg horizontal sweep draw it created for safety concerns so I had to borrow a belt clip holster to get by that day. CMP highpower matches are what I like best so over the years I pieced together what I need. If you are just starting out dont go buying the latest and greatest. I suggest borrowing what you can to see if you want to stick with it. Most shooters are happy to help new shooters into the sport. Ive always been there for fellow shooters in need of a mag, clip or tools and advice when needed.
McLuvin on 23 Mar 2011 at 11:19 pm #
If anyone is interested, Shooting Gallery on The Outdoor Channel has a zombie special this week. It aired today(3/23) but they will show it all week I’m sure. It is pretty silly and they choose just about the worst possible guns but it is kinda funny.
Clifford "Ozzie" Nicolen on 24 Mar 2011 at 12:39 pm #
Lol, I saw this one article in some popular hunting magazine about “The Best Zombie Guns” and it was hilarious.
Apparently, some company sells an AR-15 with a HARPOON GUN attached to it, and a blood splattered paintjob. The harpoon gun used .22 blanks to fire these big friggin’ dart looking things.
I dunno if that would be useful, what do you guys think? It sure would be hard to find more custom lawn darts that fit on a gun in the Zombie Apocalypse.
McLuvin on 29 Mar 2011 at 3:24 pm #
I’ve heard of it but I don’t know anyone who’s shot it.
wheelgunner on 01 Apr 2011 at 11:57 pm #
@Ozzie-That’s the biggest waste of space on a gun I’ve ever seen. There are grenade launchers that weigh less than that thing. No way to accurately aim the thing either, and you would need to carry a supply of harpoons and .22 blanks to use it. I don’t thing it’s worth the space, or the effort it would take to use it.
A real crossbow would be more accurate, easier to use, and take up just about the same amount of space. Like the lawn darts comment.
Semper Cogitant on 03 Apr 2011 at 4:31 pm #
Been away a while, back now and “Hey” to all.
All good advise in this. Constant practice and occasional competition is the way to go. I’d also recommend taking every opportunity to shoot or at least handle, every different kind of firearm you can. There are so many small variations that not knowing them could seriously mess you up. Magazine or cylinder releases and safeties can be in different places, field stripping can be very different in different guns (a 1911 would seriously stump you if you had only ever disassembles a Glock).
I’ll also second the Appleseed recommendation, not many people get much practice, or any training, at longer range shooting.
3-15 INF on 04 Apr 2011 at 4:14 pm #
The picture up top is about the ultimate 3- gun combo- i like the choices
Lessjackson on 22 Apr 2011 at 1:30 am #
HeadShot Mag dump at 10 yards.. I think I did 13 out of 17 from that close of a distance the very first time I shot it…..
Angryvikingman on 22 Apr 2011 at 11:28 pm #
@Lessjackson
BTW, an AA12 is a class 3 destructive device, as well as being full auto. You can’t own one unless you have a class 3 FFL. State laws don’t have jack all to do with it. If you say I’m wrong, then you’re full of it. I know my gun laws. Not even people in montana can have an AA12, unless it was made there and never left the state, which they’re not made in Montana.
McLuvin on 23 Apr 2011 at 10:03 pm #
It’s also gay.
That's Right on 03 May 2011 at 2:52 pm #
Ok lets all get real here. if zombies are coming, then why waste your ammo on them. save it for food, shoot a cow or something. just use a machete, or a baseball bat. gun butts basically anything. what is a zombie going to do to you. try to climb up the stairs? no big deal. Chain saws work great to. And if you are on here so much to learn about this. chances are you wont have the money to buy the gun in the first place.
McLuvin on 03 May 2011 at 7:18 pm #
Viking, can’t you just ban idiots from the site? Clancy and his buddy/pseudonym That’s Right are just here to cause trouble.
Angryvikingman on 03 May 2011 at 8:15 pm #
I can’t ban them, but I can delete their comments. Lol!
QAZZY on 15 May 2011 at 8:01 pm #
Firearms training is more or less straightforward, but melee training, WITHOUT firearms is more important.
You could (with a group) have people but lipstick or a similar marking substance on their teeth and nails (representing a zombie’s bite or scratch) and you don all your armor and practice weapons (a broomstick for longer weapons, and maybe some sort of analog for a knife or hatchet), mark the section of your practice weapon that would be fatal (where the blade would be). The rest is simple, have everyone chase you. If you have lipstick on you, you’re dead. Try to place fatal blows at (almost) full swing (foam padding on a broomstick would help from unnecessary injuries).
As for firearms training, practice drawing and quickly placing a shot. Maybe time yourself and put the target close to you, and see how fast you can place a fatal blow. More time = higher chance of death.
big bear29 on 16 May 2011 at 1:37 pm #
You could set it up as a game of paintball . The players would get seperated into three groups , the first smaller group would represent the survivors/hunters and the other two larger groups would be zombies , romero shufflers and 28 days runners/rage zombies .
The “shuffler” group can only be taken out by head shots to their paintball helmet or by being hit in the helmet two or three times with your foam weapon that has been soaked in paint . The same basic rules would also apply to the “runner/rage” zombies but you can also take them down with hits to vital organs that either kill instantly or quickly , anything else would be considered a waste of ammo . Their only methods of attack are clawing or biting . You could get some gloves and soak them in paint to leave behind marks to show if some one was clawed and put paint on the front of a zombies helmet so that they can leave “bite” marks by just pressing their face against their opponent . Every time a match ends you just rotate the groups so that everyone has a chance to fill all the roles .
This could be done at the next z.a.c t.a.c.t. .
Angryvikingman on 16 May 2011 at 2:47 pm #
The paintball thing would work, but the foam weapon thing isn’t accurate. For a knife, yes, 2 hits to the head, but a sword or machete, 1 hit. Also, a hit to the leg would turn them into a land shark. They could only crawl. Any hits to the arms would disable that arm, and they have to put it behind their back. Hard hits to the torso would count as a crippling hit and they would also be crawlers. All zombies would have to be killed to result in victory. The weapons ought not be soaked in paint, because if you’d ever been hit with a real foam ARMA waster, then you’d know it. Its like being hit with a foam covered baseball bat at near full force.
As far as another ZAC T.A.C.T. goes…. IDK about that because of the crap that happened last year. Had about 15 people lined up to come and then 2 days before the event, everyone had bailed. So I spent $500 on supplies and other stuff for people who didn’t show up.
QAZZY on 18 May 2011 at 4:45 pm #
Granted, you’d know if an ARMA waster hits you, but you don’t need unnecessary (avoidable) injuries during Z-Day. Paint is easier, and allows for accuracy and seeing exactly where you hit. It shows is your aiming for the temporal region and actually hitting there.
wheelgunner on 30 May 2011 at 10:29 pm #
The problem with wasters is you don’t develope the mentallity to kill something if you get hit by it all the time. I mean, it is a necessary part and all that, but you do need to spend at least one run through of your combat routine with the blade you are intending to use. It makes a difference. And set up a pell. Those things become your worst nightmare of drudgery and strained muscle.
@viking-I was kind of hoping for a chance to meet up with some of you. See what you actually could do. Nothing we can do now about last year, but perhaps another try before we give up on it?
Angryvikingman on 31 May 2011 at 9:23 am #
Now, I’m up for a weekend camping trip that would include some shooting and demonstrations, ect, but I’m not putting together the logistical feat that I did last year. I don’t have the cash. It’d be everyone bring their own food, water, gear, ect. I can still provide the 35+ acre location in Alabama unless someone else wants to use their property. Hell, I can even host it in here in TN at my house. We’d have to drive to the shooting range, but its not far and it goes out to 200 yards. There’s also a seperate pistol shooting area. We can do some grilling and socializing on Friday, a few hours of shooting and hand to hand on Saturday, and everyone can pack and leave on sunday. Just depends on who wants to come. Since its summer, I can probably get Kain and 3ID to come up from georgia. They’re only 4 hours away. That’d give me at least 1 other person to help with the hand to hand stuff. It’d definately be limited to 10 people max. If we can drum up interest then I’ll set a date and location. Also, I have a very large open yard for asswhoopery so I’d probably just host it at my house.
Angryvikingman on 31 May 2011 at 9:53 am #
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