Macgyvering 101: Part 3 of 3 (Yes, finally…)
Ok, so we’re back with another mess of homemade Macgyver’d carnage for you guys to think about. This article is going to contain a LOT of information, so make sure you do your homework kiddies. This time around, we’ve got a few rare treats for you. This time, its all about DESTRUCTION!
How to make Black Powder
How to make Thermite
How to make Napalm
How to make Dynamite
How to make C4 (FOR INFORMATIONAL PURPOSES and there are steps left out) :D
Other booby traps for the undead and the unwary living.
How to make Black Powder
Gunpowder, also known since the late 19th century as black powder, is a mixture of sulfur, charcoal, and potassium nitrate. Gunpowder can be made just using potassium nitrate and charcoal (or alternatively without charcoal), but without the sulfur (or coal), the powder is not as strong. It burns rapidly, producing a volume of hot gas made up of carbon dioxide, water, and nitrogen, and a solid residue of potassium sulfide. Because of its burning properties and the amount of heat and gas volume that it generates, gunpowder has been widely used as a propellant in firearms and as a pyrotechnic composition in fireworks.
Black powder is a granular mixture of:
a nitrate, typically potassium nitrate (KNO3), which supplies oxygen for the reaction;
charcoal, which provides carbon and other fuel for the reaction, simplified as carbon (C);
sulfur (S), which, while also serving as a fuel, lowers the temperature required to ignite the mixture, thereby increasing the rate of combustion
All of these chemicals are commercially available off of EBAY. Yes, thats right, EBAY. I bought 1 lb of KNO3 a while back to make smoke bombs for the 4th of July. Please research on your on for the proper combinations for the best mixture. I can’t do everything for you, ya know. ;D
How to make Thermite/Thermate
Thermite is a pyrotechnic composition of a metal powder and a metal oxide, which produces an exothermic oxidation-reduction reaction known as a thermite reaction. If aluminum is the reducing agent it is called an aluminothermic reaction. Most varieties are not explosive, but can create short bursts of extremely high temperatures focused on a very small area for a short period of time. The thermite is simply a mixture of metal, often called the “fuel” and an oxidizer. It’s form of action is thought very simlilar to other fuel-oxidizer mixture like black powder. All you need is Iron Oxide, and Aluminium Oxide, which are also available for purchase off of EBAY. God, you gotta love the internet. Anyway mix them together in a 8:3 ratio (iron oxide:aluminum) in a ratio by weight. Note that the since aluminum is so light, it will appear that it is about a 50-50 mix by volume
Thermate: Its composition by weight is generally 68.7% thermite, 29.0% barium nitrate, 2.0% sulfur and 0.3% binder (such as PBAN). The addition of barium nitrate to thermite increases its thermal effect, produces a larger flame, and significantly reduces the ignition temperature.
All you need to ignite either of these mixtures is a simple child’s sparkler.
This one I was allowed to tell you because civilians are allowed to make and possess thermite. :D
How to make Napalm
We all know some crazy way we heard to make napalm, but here is the real way. The commonly quoted composition is 21% benzene, 33% gasoline (itself containing about 1.0 to 4.0 percent benzene to raise its octane number), and 46% polystyrene. This mixture is difficult to ignite. A reliable pyrotechnic initiator, often based on thermite (for ordinary napalm) or white phosphorus (for newer compositions), must be used. The original napalm usually burned for 15 to 30 seconds while napalm-B can burn for up to 10 minutes. The best way that I have found to produce an easily ignitable, and long burning form of napalm is to take a plastic 5 gallon bucket, set it on the GROUND and fill it 1/4 full with gasoline. You set it on the GROUND to GROUND it out so there are no electrostatic discharges resulting in fume detonation and possibly DEATH. Then, slowly dissolve styrofoam(which is polystyrene) into it until it reaches a “snot like” consistancy. Mix it SLOWLY with a stick of wood. Play with the amount of styrofoam until you get it to burn as long, or as hot as you want it. Using my method, I have had 1 cup burn for 10 minutes, and half of that was after I covered the fire with a layer of dirt in an attempt to put it out. BE VERY CAREFUL.
How to make Dynamite
The industrial manufacturing process often uses a nearly 50:50 mixture of concentrated sulfuric acid and concentrated nitric acid. This can be produced by mixing white fuming nitric acid (quite costly pure nitric acid in which oxides of nitrogen have been removed, as opposed to red fuming nitric acid) and concentrated sulfuric acid. More often, this mixture is attained by the cheaper method of mixing fuming sulfuric acid, also known as oleum, (sulfuric acid containing excess sulfur trioxide) and azeotropic nitric acid (consisting of around 70% nitric acid, the rest being water).
The sulfuric acid produces protonated nitric acid species, which are attacked by glycerin’s nucleophilic oxygen atoms. The nitro group is thus added as an ester C-O-NO2 and water is produced. This is different from an aromatic nitration reaction in which nitronium ions are the active species in an electrophilic attack of the molecules’ ring system.
The addition of glycerin results in an exothermic reaction (i.e., heat is produced), as usual for mixed acid nitrations. However, if the mixture becomes too hot, it results in runaway, a state of accelerated nitration accompanied by the destructive oxidizing of organic materials of nitric acid and the release of very poisonous brown nitrogen dioxide gas at high risk of an explosion. Thus, the glycerin mixture is added slowly to the reaction vessel containing the mixed acid (not acid to glycerin). The nitrator is cooled with cold water or some other coolant mixture and maintained throughout the glycerin addition at about 22 °C (72 °F), much below which the esterification occurs too slowly to be useful. The nitrator vessel, often constructed of iron or lead and generally stirred with compressed air, has an emergency trap door at its base, which hangs over a large pool of very cold water and into which the whole reaction mixture (called the charge) can be dumped to prevent an explosion, a process referred to as drowning. If the temperature of the charge exceeds about 30 °C (86 °F) (actual value varying by country) or brown fumes are seen in the nitrator’s vent, then it is immediately drowned.
Just in case you’re ever dumb enough to try this, you can buy pure glycerin at most pharmacies and buy the acid off of the internet.
Now, it is said you can use sawdust as a stabilizer, BUT YOU SHOULD NEVER, EVER DO THIS! It will cause the nitro to immediately explode. You can’t use any kind of plant organic plant matter. You should use diatomaceous earth or nitrocellulose. Wikipedia it. LOL.
How to make C4
C4 is made up of explosives, plastic binder, plasticizer and, usually, marker or odorizing taggant chemicals such as 2,3-dimethyl-2,3-dinitrobutane (DMDNB) to help detect the explosive and identify its source. As with many plastic explosives, the explosive in C4 is RDX (cyclonite or cyclotrimethylene trinitramine), which makes up around 91% of C4 by weight. The plasticizer is diethylhexyl (5.3%) or dioctyl sebacate and the binder is usually polyisobutylene (2.1%). Another plasticizer used is dioctyl adipate (DOA). A small amount of SAE 10 non-detergent motor oil (1.6%) is also added.
C4 is manufactured by combining the noted ingredients with binder dissolved in a solvent. The solvent is then evaporated and the mixture dried and filtered. The final material is an off-white solid with a texture similar to modelling clay.
Now, to make C4 you need RDX (91% by weight, btw, its slightly unstable. So be careful!)
To make RDX: RDX can be made by a synthesis of nitric acid and hexamine. Nitric acid is pretty easy to get, so I’ll tell you how to make/get Hexamine.
To make Hexamine: Hexamine is made by a synthesis of formaldehyde and ammonia, but you can find it pre-made in a lot of fuel tablets for camp stoves. Google Esbit fuel tabs, you want the ones made from hexamine, NOT trioxane.
So now, since you’re good and confused, I’ll dumb it down for you.
Main Ingredient: RDX: made as described above. 91% of the total mixture.
Plasticizer 1: Diethlhexyl, this you can get from DOT 5 brake fluid. 5.3% of the total mixture.
Binder: Polyisobutylene, think aquanet hairspray from the 80s. 2.1% of the total mixture.
Plasticizer 2: SAE 10 non-detergent motor oil. 1.6% of the total mixture.
This description and information is for purely informational purposes, and I have purposefully left out the sequence of mixture, and other small steps because I don’t want any of you blowing up yourselves or anyone else. This is also a dirty version as the chemical purity will often be less than lab grade, which can result in instability, and lowered explosive yields. Any of this information is easy to find on wikipedia, which is where I got most of it. You just have to know how to assemble the information.
Other booby traps for the undead and the unwary living
We all know that in our survival guides there are tons of ways to make traps for game animals, all you need to do to use them on humans, is make them BIGGER. Just to save myself some time and typing, I will refer you to the US Army FM 20-32. This will instruct you on how to make and find booby traps, so that you don’t get caught being a booby.
I hope that you have found this article helpful, and informational. We all need to know things like this to survive the Zombie Apocalypse. THIS STUFF IS FOR INFORMATIONAL PURPOSES ONLY, ANYTHING YOU’RE STUPID ENOUGH TO DO AT HOME THAT RESULTS IN INJURY, DEATH, OR IMPRISONMENT, WE ARE NOT LIABLE FOR. (We = writers, owners, proprieters, advertisers, ect, et. al. )
Comments (122)








Clifford "Ozzie" Nicolen on 01 Apr 2011 at 3:59 pm #
New thread! A good one too!
McLuvin on 01 Apr 2011 at 4:18 pm #
Why do I think we may never hear from some of our posters again?
e on 01 Apr 2011 at 4:46 pm #
finally another post! good information.
most helpful site on the net.
Clifford (Ozzie) Nicolen on 01 Apr 2011 at 8:48 pm #
Don’t worry. Don’t have the materials. What good would Napalm do in the Zombie Apocalypse? I get the others, but Napalm…?
I agree with “e”. You guys rock. Most zombie sites just have stupid stuff about “Teh Best Guns Evar” and videos of a bunch of nine year-olds running around with toy guns. You’ve got the facts, and very informational stuff about how to actually survive. Good job.
CompShooter on 01 Apr 2011 at 9:18 pm #
Good info and great effort! but im going to stick with my reloading . hell, on a good day u can send yourself in orbit if your not carefull. And I’ll take a note out of history as the russians used Molotov’s
against German tanks with good effect. But seriously, interesting stuff there
Macgyvering 101: Part 3 of 3 (Yes, finally…) on 01 Apr 2011 at 9:20 pm #
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Angryvikingman on 01 Apr 2011 at 9:35 pm #
Yeah, so check out reply #7. The name is a link to a website that straight ripped my whole article off with NO CREDIT GIVEN. Douchebag… http://www.ezombies.com you can blow me.
Andy on 01 Apr 2011 at 11:51 pm #
See, Angry is the kind of guy we needed to have in charge when Katrina happened. Great post. Since there will be no internet during the Zombpocalypse, I’m printing this shit out.
Angryvikingman on 02 Apr 2011 at 1:06 am #
Ha ha ha wheelgunner. Well, he’ll never get one on me. Yeah, I figured you guys would like this article.
wheelgunner on 02 Apr 2011 at 2:33 pm #
It’s nice. What you think about that fried zed idea? It’s been nagging me for a bit.
sean on 02 Apr 2011 at 6:24 pm #
suppose you already have black powder and need ideas
big bear29 on 02 Apr 2011 at 9:27 pm #
@wheelgunner
I have known how to make that stuff for years . As well as detonaters and transmitters . I have a feeling that if I ever got bored during the outbreak that I would end up playing a whole new type of “bomberman” that the zombie would not appreciate one bit .
I also know how to make a flamethrower out of some old fire extinquishers , an air tank , some pipe fittings and hoses and a carrying mount for it out of an old camping back pack . When my brother and I would use them as oversized water guns we could spray water at least fifty feet , but we only had enough “fuel” and pressure for about thrity seconds to a minute of continuous use before it would go empty .
Also your idea of setting the head on fire and cooking their brain is a good one . But they are still going to be moving around until they finally go down , which means they could set a lot of crap on fire . But depending on the type of napalm that you use it might just set the hole body on fire and cremate it . Because once the skin hits a certain tempature the flesh will burn on its own and it will slowly heat up the rest of the body allowing it to simply burn up . Also if the zombie has been dead long enough to really dry out it might burn up as well as some old dried out fire wood .
wheelgunner on 03 Apr 2011 at 11:16 am #
Just teasing man, just teasing. I kind of like the idea of having dinner by zombie-candle light. It’s not smart or really practical for the most part, but the pyro deep inside me is satisfied.
@Viking-Do we have clearance to give sean and our other readers ideas, and strill de legal? I’ve toed that line a few times, but you are the higher up.
Which reminds me, I have a plan aaround here somewhere for a underhammer percussion pistol, with like 6-7 parts total. Scan and post?
wheelgunner on 03 Apr 2011 at 11:23 am #
@bear-they don’t like to admit this in Hollywood, but a minute or two tops is historically what you lugged thirty pounds of highly visible high explose around on your back for, in a standard flamethrower. You also, traditionally, can only open the throttle for 1-4 long bursts, depending on model.
Anyone know how to make fuse, waterproof or otherwise? My atempts have been pitiful.
Angryvikingman on 03 Apr 2011 at 11:37 am #
No, don’t give people ideas. Let them get them somewhere else. We only provide info, not ways to implement it.
As far as making fuses goes, I have seen several ways to do it. The most widely available way to do it for most people will be with match heads. Shave them off of matches, grind the powder and sift it so that you get all of the wood out. Using a candle wick, one that hasn’t had wax on it, wet the match head powder until it becomes a paste. Then roll the candle wick in it until it is fully coated. Let it dry and you have a primitive fuse. The other ways involve wrapping paper or fabric around a chemical core and are insanely time consuming to do by hand.
Ohhhh, hang on a sec… IDEA!! Find the smallest diameter of paracord you can find and gut it. (or other braided exterior cord) Singe an plug up one end, then fill it with black powder from the other end. This would be the equivalent of chinese quick fuse which burns at around 1ft+ per second. I guess depending on how full you fill it, it will burn slower or faster.
wheelgunner on 03 Apr 2011 at 11:45 am #
Huh. I’m ashamed to have not thought of that. Thanks.
GaurdianAngel on 03 Apr 2011 at 3:26 pm #
what about some modeling clay and some magnesium in the thermite? you can light it with a lighter and mold it around locks and such.
Semper Cogitant on 03 Apr 2011 at 4:57 pm #
Knowing how to make black powder is essential in a long term survival situation like we are discussing here. I would imagine though that ready made black powder will be easier to get hold of that potassium Nitrate, but if you are scavenging KNO3 would be available at nurseries, home improvement stores, and in smaller quantities at some pharmacies.
Thermite would also be useful occasionally, but it’s dangerous to work with. The ingredients are readily available, especially the rust. There are a lot of different recipes and most seem to work.
Napalm I’m not sure of the usefulness in this scenario, a burning zombie seems more dangerous than a regular one, and gasoline will be a precious commodity after the zombie apocalypse (or any other).
As for C4 or any plastic explosive, I’d say it’s too much of a pain in the ass to make and of limited utility. Recipes are readily available, and the ingredients can be had, but the danger, the legal ramifications of practicing, and the questionable utility make me shy away from this one.
As for booby traps, the zombie apocalypse is a unique situation for these. There are endless possibilities of course, the limits are your imagination and your tools. The cool thing is that if you are defending and area with booby traps you could put signs all over saying “hey, be careful, booby traps” and even post obvious instructions for circumventing the traps, without reducing their effectiveness against zombies.
Angryvikingman on 03 Apr 2011 at 5:47 pm #
I’m a serious fan of the deadfall grid, and the swinging spiked log. And I didn’t think of posting signs. LOL! Great idea Semper. This would also work for other anti personnel traps. As for napalm’s effectiveness, you don’t necessarily need to use it as a weapon against the undead. It can be used for a defoliant which will help clear line of sight from your base if you live in a heavily vegetated area. No bushes or tree limbs to hide behind and you can use the fire hardened logs for construction of defensive walls and funneling walls so you can direct zombies into designated fire areas for greater collateral damage. Like if you had a few machine guns, then you’d want to funnel them into a line in front of it. Ditches also work great for this, and afterward you can bury the bodies in them. And also, you can use fire as a wall, to cover your retreat. A line across a road over a bridge, ect. Anythign that goes through it will be incinerated, and there won’t be much near it to catch on fire.
Dr. Apocalypse on 04 Apr 2011 at 4:23 pm #
Hey! its important for all us survivors to band together! blogs like this are great for it. Ive made a society for zombie survival to help get everyones ideas heard! go to http://www.zombiesurvivalsociety.com and join up! Help us fill it with the best zombie advice we can!
wheelgunner on 04 Apr 2011 at 6:44 pm #
We seem to be becoming the go-to guys for this kind of thing. Should I be impressed, or disapointed?
Angryvikingman on 04 Apr 2011 at 7:19 pm #
I’d say impressed and worried. LOL! Despite my lack of military training, I’m one of the few people I know who have handled this level of explosives. My uncle and I used to go dynamite fish in the river. Its fun, just make sure you get it in the water, and plan on getting soaked. Once upon a time we also disposed of a whole case of dynamite that was leaking nitro by shooting it from 500 yards. Fucking spectacular. Although the trip down to the pond was somewhat tense. Crap, I’ll add how to make home made dynamite too. Check back later on the main post. I always forget stuff. Thats what I get for writing on the fly.
Updated with “How to make Dynamite”
wheelgunner on 04 Apr 2011 at 8:32 pm #
I can’t tell them how to put a bunch of hard to get machined parts, but you can give them dynamite? I’m so jealous. Where do I sign up for the fun at?
Clifford "Ozzie" Nicolen on 04 Apr 2011 at 10:41 pm #
The “Zombiesurvivalsociety” is total crap compared to this site, as guessed.
I dunno, I think I could make a makeshift pipe bomb, wouldn’t wanna try, but I THINK I could. A Molotov is no question for me. What do you guys think about them? Useful?
wheelgunner on 04 Apr 2011 at 11:20 pm #
Pipebomb? Dynamite in a tube with nails…not worth the nails, post modern. Have roughly the same results on a zed as a claymore mine.
Antibandit device? On my top ten list. I know I’ll be using Molotovs to clear out buildings if the shtf. Better to loose a settlement than needlessly risk a life. Both have potential as base security, but limited to living combat outside that.
And be nice, they can’t all be us; otherwise, we’d be them. They are doing what we have done, just currently in a more limited scope and user base. Time will tell all.
McLuvin on 04 Apr 2011 at 11:29 pm #
Molotovs would have very limited use against the undead. I think they could be used safely if you could somehow lure a large group of zombies into a killbox. I can picture a nice(relatively fire-resistant) location like a stockyard or factory. Lure them in and drop the molotovs from above. Unless you could contain them long enough for the fire to do it’s job, the walking fireballs would be too dangerous. Most of the items in this article would be more useful against the living. Explosives and fire are great for inducing fear, but not great for destroying the brain. We have gone over this before. Explosives would most likely kill any zombies in very close proximity but anything not at ground zero would probably survive. It would be a very inefficient killing method. A good man with a gun could kill many more with less hassle.
wheelgunner on 04 Apr 2011 at 11:49 pm #
Asking for a lot there, McLuvin. Good men are hard to come by, much less ones that can shoot. Im thinking about a “moat” to turn into a fire ditch. Put it under a motte and bailey fort. Safe enough for me, undead barbecue for them.
Clifford "Ozzie" Nicolen on 05 Apr 2011 at 12:25 am #
No, no, I think Mcluvin’s got the right idea. And besides, if Molotovs are the only thing I can make(without blowing myself to bits), I guess that’s my only choice.
Oh, and by the way, abbreviating When The Sh*t Hits The Fan to shtf is hilariously clever. Just awesome.
big bear29 on 05 Apr 2011 at 1:08 am #
@McLuvin and wheelgunner
Explosives and especially fragmention explosives could in fact kill a lot of zombies if you knew how and when to use them . If you set up your IED at ground level and detonate it then yes it will likely only kill those in close proximity to the blast and maim those further away . But if you put the explosive at head height and set it off , your pipe bomb becomes a 360 degree shotgun blast to the head . A claymore going off at head height in something like a long hallway that is packed with zombies could wipe out dozens .
If you don’t believe me just google IED EXPLOSION INJURY PHOTOS . Some of those pics show people that were blown in half and that was with a bomb on the ground or in some cases underground . Imagine how many zombies would get taken out by explosives going off level with their heads and upper chests .
IF YOU DON’T LEARN TO THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX YOU WILL LIKELY BE BURIED IN IT .
Angryvikingman on 05 Apr 2011 at 2:13 am #
That zombie survival society is a bunch of mall ninjas. Ugh. They just started the forum. And they’re all raving about the katana and throwing weapons. I’m a fan of the remote detonated device. Its not hard to do, maybe I’ll do an article on radio detonation. Its not hard, you just have to make sure no one else is using that frequency so that you don’t get blown up unexpectedly. You don’t want to use a radio frequency, or anything common. You can rig lots of things for remote bang. Also, perimeter alarms can also be rigged in doorways with a trip wire so that it will either kill or really disable an intruder. Things that go boom can do a lot of damage. Just because it will primarily maim, that doesn’t mean it won’t put a lot of them out of commission or at least diminish their combat effectiveness.
McLuvin on 05 Apr 2011 at 10:59 am #
I’m not saying that explosives are useless. I’m saying they have limited application against the undead. If you could rig bombs and claymores at head height around your base and in hallways they could help thin out the horde. I think some people have an exaggerated idea of explosive. A pipe bomb doesn’t send out a wall of shrapnel that will automatically kill anything within 30′. There will be huge gaps that no shrapnel touches. Odds are that some of the pieces will hit a zombie in the head. Body hits will go virtually unnoticed. The blast itself may kill some in the immediate vicinity but won’t have much effect further out. You would probably see a kill rate of 10-20%(wild ass guess). Claymores would be better because they are designed with a more controllable shrapnel pattern. They still have gaps in coverage, but if placed at head height in a packed hallway, could take out quite a few. The problem with this scenario is that military claymores are not going to be readily available. A homemade directional bomb can be fashioned but it’s effectiveness will be a fraction of the real thing. As I stated, for the time it would take to scavenge supplies, build, and set these devices, a good it would be a minimal trade-off. For most people the time would be better spent strengthening fortifications and scavenging food. If you end up in a well protected bunker with an able crew of scavengers that have free time, then the extra level of protection would be worth it. Other than that, it would be an inefficient use of resources and time.
wheelgunner on 05 Apr 2011 at 11:13 am #
Not to quote mall ninjas of a sort, but a few of the tests from the show Deadliest Warrior give good demonstration of things, even if the show is so loaded with b.s. I can smell it through the t.v. Just check out one of their grenade or flamethrower tests if you want to understand what McLuvin is trying to say. It’s depressing.
big bear29 on 06 Apr 2011 at 1:36 pm #
Don’t take the dealiest warrior tests to seriously . That show is meant to be entertaining not accurate . If i remember correctly the IRA nail bomb was supposed to be more lethal than the NAZI SS bouncing betty . I think they add a bit more explosives to the ordinance when it is not visually awesome enough to them . Thats why on that show you will see hand grenades that are able to blow apart an entire room or reduce a 180 pound pig to red mist .
Semper Cogitant on 06 Apr 2011 at 9:05 pm #
Angryvikingman’s point about using napalm as a defoliant and the brief mention of remotely detonated devices got me to thinking about shaping the terrain in an area you plan to stay in using the environment as a weapon. Perhaps a topic for a later discussion.
Clearing fields of fire, controlling the approach of the hoards, using landslides and avalanches as weapons, creating fortifications, trenches, removing or creating obstacles. Fire, explosives and chemicals would all be useful in this.
Semper Cogitant on 06 Apr 2011 at 9:16 pm #
More on explosives, specifically those that send out shrapnel. While these have some use against the undead, they are no where near as useful as they are against the living. We poor squishy humans can be killed by shrapnel to the head, neck, chest, abdomen, groin or upper thighs, and disable by shrapnel wounds even to the feet.
For a zombie, if they are close enough to the blast perhaps legs might be severed, and that will certainly slow them down, but a if a group of them passed by a claymore, or an IED with similar function, there’s no guarantee that even a single one would get a piece in the brain.
A single claymore,with good timing, might take out an entire squad of humans, but a similar number of zombies might only be briefly slowed, maybe knocked over.
Certainly effective tactics would evolve, devices placed at head height would improve the odds, and the right shapes and sizes would be learned to do the most damage.
An interesting side of this, like the signs for booby traps, is that there is no need to conceal these. A sturdy post in the ground, right in the middle a path the zombies are funneled into could have a couple or three claymores attached to it with bright orange duct tape and be far more effecting than if they were off to the side of the path concealed in a tree or something.
Angryvikingman on 06 Apr 2011 at 10:33 pm #
Ok, let me explain my theory and training on explosives. Just as with humans, explosives can be used effectively against zombies. Let me explain how.
The series:
The series is just what it sounds like, a series of explosions detonated to keep the enemy moving forward into more explosions.
The first explosion happens behind the enemy, and even zombies surely have base thought processes, so they may know to move away from the direction of the “BOOM”. This first explosion gets them moving the way you want them and maybe takes out a coulple or at least blows off limbs, which limits their combat effectiveness. Then, you plant more explosives and remote detonate them as the horde passes to take them out a bit at a time. By the time they get to the end of the series, which is usually somewhere between 3 and 10 explosions depending on the size of the enemy element, they have been torn to shreds. This leaves only a few to be mopped up by gun fire. You can also lay out a series on flat, open ground, put a lure in the middle so that they congregate, then set off the needed explosives to destroy as many as you can at once. The blast wave alone can destroy the brain, and a great many can be permanantly disabled in this manner.
The Corridor:
Claymores and other shrapnel bombs can be used to great effect in a corridor or hallway. Say you had a 50 foot long corridor that was 20 feet wide. The entire thing can be one big kill zone. Thats 1000 square feet of death. Place claymore type bombs about chest height, and alternate them every 10 feet from one side to the other. Starting on one side place a clalymore at the end, then on the other side, place one ten feet down, and continue till you reach the end. When they are all detonated simultaneously they will kill everything in the corridor even if the brain wasn’t hit by shrapnel. The concussive blast will destroy the brain with the shockwave. In 1000 square feet, assuming that each zombie needs 2 square feet, you could possibly take out 500 zombies at once with 10 claymores. If you’re like me and want overkill, then you can place a few along the floor facing up, which will blow the zombies up, then apart. YAAAAY!
Fire:
You can use napalm to cleanse places that you blew up a lot of zombies at once. The fire burns hot enough to kill 99.9% of all germs and viruses. It can also be used to great effect in an enclosed place like a building or corridor, much like as described above. Lure zombies into what is essentially a giant live trap, then shut the doors on the ends, apply fire as necessary. Gas masks are recommended for this if you’re going to be within 100 yards of the smoke, as the fire may not consume all of the virus which can be made aerosol by fire. I suggest hardened concrete structures for this, like parking garages, sewer tunnels, tunnels, ect.
Shaping the battlefield:
If you have a fortification, then you can used “K”rails stacked in front of the main gate as a killzone for machineguns and explosives as described above. If you don’t have a way to move lots of heavy objects to provide killzones, then you can use natural terrain in much the same way. Creek beds, culverts, sewer tunnels, canals, bridges, and concrete riverbeds like the LA river can be set up with ambush points that you can lead zombies into a devestating planned ambush. You save ammo, and man power, this way, 2 people can take out from 10-500 zombies in a matter of minutes. Just make sure you have an idea as to how many you want to lure, and how to do it before you set up the traps. You don’t want to use 10lbs of explosives to kill 3 zombies.
big bear29 on 06 Apr 2011 at 11:12 pm #
If you need something to lure the zombies in with you could use just about any vehicle with a siren or loud speaker . Around here there are several companies that have their drivers going around to sell ice cream out of their vans . you could put one of those vans in an empty lot or park in a city and then go around setting up your explosives . Once you have everything setup turn on the loudspeaker and just withdraw to the roof of a nearby building and wait until the zombies are packed in nice and tight around the vehicle and then start setting off your bombs by remote .
McLuvin on 06 Apr 2011 at 11:30 pm #
The “series” thoery is only sound if you are dealing with a small to medium group of attackers. If the zeds come in the horde we usually imagine then your elaborate series will not thin them out enough to make a difference. My thinking is maximizing time, energy, and equiptment. If you have a well fortified bunker, lots of free time, and copious amounts of explosives you can go ahead and set up any fancy traps you want. I picture a meeker existence. If you are able to scavenge or cobble together some bombs you won’t want to waste them on the first six-pack of zombies that wander by. I figure to use them as a last line of defense if you are being overrun. Set them in strategic places around your structure to create an egress point or just to do the most damage if things are beyond help.
big bear29 on 07 Apr 2011 at 1:57 am #
@McLuvin
You think that a bunch of explosives going off in the midst of a bunch of tightly packed zombies wouldn’t cause much damage ????? I hate to poke holes in your logic , but the more tightly packed the zombies are around the explosives the greater the odds that they willsuffer severe damage . If they are spread out and are not as close to the explosives the damage will be less .
It will be easier to clear out a large group of zombies with explosives than it will with a gun . You could kill the same number of zombies with bombs as twelve guys with rifles in a fraction of the time . By using explosives you will conserve ammo for when you really need it and reduce the odds of anybody in your group getting infected because you won’t even need to be to close to the site of the battle .
I don’t know how it is where you are at , but around here there are plenty of places where I can acquire the ingredients to make explosives , as well as existing explosives like the kind used in quarries and not even sixty miles away is a HUGE storage facility for fireworks which I could use to make even more explosives .
Personally I will use explosives when I can in order to conserve my ammo for when I really need it the most . Because it will be far easier for me to gather the materials to make explosives than to gather the materials to make more bullets once I have run out . I just think that if you can use the bombs rather than waste the ammo you should go for it .
Angryvikingman on 07 Apr 2011 at 7:40 am #
A series isn’t elaborate, its just used to push the enemy element into a bigger explosion to do the most damage. The primary explosion(s) don’t have to be large, people(and perhaps even zombies) will flee even a small explosion the size of an M80.
As far as the amount of damage that even a single grenade can do, let me tell you a story.
My buddy Fatman was in the army. He was a SAW gunner his first 2 years. During a training exercise he was firing above the heads of an advancing unit as he was ordered to do. He was on top of a bunker, not inside, on top of it. They threw a grenade INSIDE the bunker(they were supposed to wait for him to get off it of course), and he ended up in the infirmary and woke up 2 days later. He was told he was bleeding from the eyes, ears, nose, and mouth. He had bruised organs. That was from a single grenade in a 6×10 bunker. The concussion transferred through 2 feet of concrete and did that to him.
The fragmentation aspect of explosives will be secondary to the concussive blast when it comes to zombies, thats why I suggested using enclosed spaces where the concussion will be amplified, and pretty much liquifying the zombies.
Docwade on 07 Apr 2011 at 12:13 pm #
I don’t even know where to begin digging through the bullshit of that story. But the easiest one is the concussion from a single grenade will not travel through 2 feet of reinforced concrete and nearly kill someone laying on the other side.
If you’re going to lead hordes of the dead into some 2000 sq ft reinforced wall killing room, then why not just lead them into a big car crusher or shredder, or a saw mill, or hell a 2000 sq ft room full of blenders with the blades exposed.
wheelgunner on 07 Apr 2011 at 12:57 pm #
Or make you a Nazi style bath out of lye water, or some other nasty acid. I know all that black black powder is going in my Colt navy.
Angryvikingman on 07 Apr 2011 at 1:52 pm #
He wasn’t on the other side, he was on top of it, laying prone. I don’t know for sure how thick the concrete was, because he said “like a foot or two”. I saw a picture of his eyes afterward they were all red because of the busted blood vessels, so I’m assuming his story was on the up and up, and I also know for a fact that he was in the hospital because his mom asked if I wanted to go Ft. Bragg with her to see him. I agree that the bleeding was heresay, but it sounds plausable to me given that he was never prone to stretching the truth. I’ve only ever heard him talk about the things he did in the army sparingly, and hes only ever told me 3 horror stories of things that happened to him during 8 years in the military, almost 5 of which he was deployed to either Afghanistan or Iraq. I’m sure he’s telling me the truth since we’ve been friends for 21 years.
Docwade on 09 Apr 2011 at 12:16 am #
Well, let’s look at it from a slightly different prospective. But first, just look at it from a detached point of view without any emotional overtone from your relationship to the person stating the scenario. If the situation happens as described: person on top of bunker, grenade goes inside bunker which has open shooting ports, grenade detonates, person on top suffers incapacitating injury resulting in combat ineffectiveness and evac to hospital.
Then the converse should be true: shooter inside bunker, grenade lands on top of bunker, grenade detonates, occupants of bunker rendered combat ineffective due to concussion. There is not one field manual that indicates this is a viable method to neutralize a bunker, and if it were possible, I think that bunker sales would drop.
Grenades aren’t magical. The energy transitioning from air within the bunker to reinforced concrete is not the path of least resistance. The compression wave would travel out the gun ports of the bunker. Now I’m not saying your friend wasn’t injured or that he wasnt injured during the highly dangerous live fire scenario you described. All I’m saying is the mechanism of injury was not due to the grenade being inside the bunker. The energy transition for that scenario would have to be: explosion, compression of air within the bunker, transition to reinforced concrete, then back to air on the other side of concrete, then to human tissue. It is more likely that the explosion was short of the bunker but close enough to shield him from shrapnel.
McLuvin on 09 Apr 2011 at 8:06 am #
Agreed. Unless the bunker was some kind of fake training bunker the shockwave shouldn’t have been able to travel through with such force.
I also question a training scenario that has live grenades being used with men downrange. That doesn’t sound like an approved exercize.
Angryvikingman on 09 Apr 2011 at 10:21 am #
First off, the blast wave characteristics, even if the bunker was some what open would still be a lot different than if the grenade landed outside, or on top where it would have infinite space to expand. If it only had gun ports in the front and a door in the back, then its going to be a lot worse for the person on top. Take a coffee can, I’m sure in our youth many of us lit firecrackers under them to watch them pop off the ground. If you put the firecracker on top, or outside it didn’t do much, but if you put it inside, then boom. Sometimes it would just pop up, sometimes it would warp the can. If I had some fireworks laying around I’d film an experiment showing you, but alas I don’t. I do know enough about physics and explosions in confined spaces that what I’m saying is true, but I don’t know how I could convince you guys since your minds seem to be made up despite the facts.
Docwade on 09 Apr 2011 at 11:18 am #
Cool, get a coffee can and show the experiment. However, the first part of you analogy does not apply. The coffee can, turned end up contains the blast in entirety. This is not the situation. Cut holes in the coffee can which simulates the gun ports and door, then show me the amazing movement. I don’t deny the pressure wave would be different between being outside the bunker and inside. It will most definitely be less when outside. However, the compression wave still follows the path of least resistance which would be out the ports, not through x inches of reinforced concrete designed to withstand this type of damage.
An m67 grenade only has 6.5 ounces of comp b in it. I have been unable to find the magic ingredient that let’s it move through reinforced concrete.
Docwade on 09 Apr 2011 at 11:37 am #
Also, make sure your scale is correct; I think a lady finger is to coffee can as m67 grenade is to bunker.
Angryvikingman on 09 Apr 2011 at 11:52 am #
Lol, IF/WHEN I do, I most definately will.
big bear29 on 09 Apr 2011 at 1:03 pm #
@Angryvikingman
I have heard of what you are talking about . The only reason your friend got injured from the blast was because he was laying on top of the bunker , if he had been say two feet from it he probably wouldn’t have suffered any injury at all .
For those of you who don’t understand I’ll try and explain . If a large truck were to hit a thick concrete wall at a high rate of speed and you were on the other side of that wall but not touching it all you would feel would be the ground trembling from the impact . Now if you were pressed up against that same wall , when the truck hits it your ass would be thrown a few feet from the wall at least and could suffer some injuries .
That is why they wanted the guy to get off the bunker before they used their grenades , because the explosive force can be felt through the walls of the bunker . If he hadn’t been touching the walls it its likely that the only injury he would have suffered would be ringing ears from the explosion . This kind of thing has happened before , both in training exercises and in wars .
@Docwade
If the explosion goes off outside of the bunker the effects can still be felt but they won’t be as extreme because the force of the explosion will have room to disapate . If the grenade goes off the inside the bunker the explosive force of the grenade is translated through the walls of the bunker and will be felt by anyone in contact with the bunker .
Docwade on 09 Apr 2011 at 1:21 pm #
I understand the concept of elastic collisions. However reinforced concrete is not an elastic medium. It doesn’t transmit energy readily. If it did, it wouldn’t be very good bunker material. Also the force you are equating to a m67 grenade; the impact of a large truck, are nowhere near equivalent. I think what’s missing here are all the details, bunker design, thickness, material composition, reinforcing, height, width, size of ports, and back story not being second hand. A story told second hand is only a story.
Docwade on 09 Apr 2011 at 1:26 pm #
There’s a good YouTube titled “grenade throw epic fail”.
big bear29 on 09 Apr 2011 at 1:42 pm #
All matter transmits force through it , but to varying degrees . Also I was just giving an example with the truck and the wall , not trying to give an exact comparison of force . I was just trying to give you the basic idea of what I was trying to explain .
When that grenade went off inside the bunker the explosive force was translated through the walls . Because the walls are not an elastic medium a great deal of the force of the explosion was dissapated , but the human body lying on the top of the bunker is a whole lot softer than concrete and it felt the remaining force of that explosion . But I do agree that those missing details play a huge part in determining why the guy got injured .
Angryvikingman on 09 Apr 2011 at 3:10 pm #
That guy I was talking about is the most unlucky lucky guy I ever met. He must have been blown up at least 3 seperate times. The grenade and 2 MRAPS +IEDs, he was airborne and he also jumped from a plane and his static line didn’t deploy his chute and he got banged against the plane for a while until it finally deployed. Another time he landed in a tree, was knocked unconscious and they didn’t find him for 6 hours. Hes managed to survive though, but now he has PTSD and Polytrauma. He calls me every week when he comes into town to go to the V.A. hospital.
big bear29 on 09 Apr 2011 at 3:49 pm #
Sounds like if your friend didn’t have bad luck he would have no luck at all . I’m kinda the same way in the luck department but not to the extent that your friend is .
Angryvikingman on 09 Apr 2011 at 4:20 pm #
Hes always had luck with women, so that makes up for it I guess. His wife is hot, and teaches pole dancing. He has a nice house, good kids, nice vehicles, and a decent job. He worked for private contractors for a year and bought all his nice stuff with cash. Now that hes home, hes pretty much set. Just has to work to pay the utilities and buy toys.
sparks on 12 Apr 2011 at 10:45 am #
really should not be loking atthis in australia, this is classed as terrorism here and the uk. plz state clearly in title next time. just a small making explosives in brackets in the corner.
Angryvikingman on 12 Apr 2011 at 4:58 pm #
Well, here in Freedomland(America) we can post or talk about whatever we want. I got 99% of this stuff off of wikipedia, so its all legal information readily available to the general public here in the US. I realize that we have people from other countries reading this, but I post what I want in accordance with our laws. All I did was a little research, again all on wikipedia, and came up with everthing here except where to buy all the stuff. Americans can have as much black powder and thermite as they want, and we can even make our own fireworks if we want to. Making explosive devices, or C4 is forbidden unless you have the proper licensing, which any law abiding US citizen can get. If I had the start up money, I would go into a manufacturing business where we made just about everything from guns, ammo, and explosives, so I could sell to uncle sam, and still be sitting on an arsenal, legally.
Ronin666 on 13 Apr 2011 at 12:20 am #
I think you are bit paranoid there Sparks. I think our government has better things to do than check that a zombie blog you visit has a thread on explosives.
Hang on someones at the door, some dudes in black suits with dark shades……………………………………………………………
big bear29 on 13 Apr 2011 at 1:05 am #
I think it makes a very bad statement about a country when simply reading something can get you labeled as a terrorist . It would seem rather ridiculous telling everybody why you are in prison .
“Why are you in . I blew up Big Ben . I blew up the Sydney Opera House . I read a blog !!!!”
Clifford "Ozzie" Nicolen on 14 Apr 2011 at 11:32 am #
Hey, I’m gonna try that bit with a coffee can, I’ve got some Lady Fingers left over from last year. I’ve never thought to cut a couple of holes in the can to simulate a door. I’ll make a video of it in a while.
Also, while we’re on the subject of burning, I’ve found that it would be a good idea to put a packet of flour in our survival bags, First Aid kits, etc.
Not for cooking or eating, but for burns. Really does help. But most of you probably knew that.
Semper Cogitant on 14 Apr 2011 at 12:37 pm #
As a professional in the field of emergency care these past twenty-some years I have to interject here. Flour is definitely not the recommended first aid for burns. Please don’t use flour for burns.
Everyone interested in survival should get some level of real, professional training in first aid.
Angryvikingman on 14 Apr 2011 at 5:19 pm #
Flour? For burns? I’ve never heard of that. For minor burns I always just put my hand in cold water, if it blisters, I pop the blister and bandage with a pad and warp in gauze.
Clifford "Ozzie" Nicolen on 15 Apr 2011 at 10:24 am #
Angryvikingman-Hmmm, that sounds like it could easily infect.
Semper Cogitant-I’ve learned this second hand, but I’m clumsy and I burn myself often, so I might have to try it for the sake of science.
What the…! It’s 100% snowing here where I live. That’s not normal from where I come from this time of year. I was going to do the coffee can experiment today too… Dang.
big bear29 on 19 Apr 2011 at 11:43 pm #
I just had a crazy idea for two types of anti zombie traps . Make a giant wood chipper to turn the zombies into mulch . You would need two big pits , prefferably made of concrete like a septic tank is . You could set up your giant zombie wood chipper in one pit and set it up so that the mulched remains get dumped into the second pit so they can be disposed of . All that a wood chipper really is , is a big spinning disc that has a surface like a cheese grater and a motor to turn the disk . Once you make your giant zombie chipper you could just hang a large piece of meat over the entrance to it and let the zombies fall into it as they approach , once they are in the pit just start the engine and sit back .
The other trap would be like the propeller trap in half life 2 . It could be setup with a pressure plate to activate it when the zombies get close enough . Once the zombies are hacked up to the point where they can’t move much you could just go out and cave their heads in with a sledgehammer .
These traps could be really useful for thinning out the zombies numbers , but you would likely only see the use of traps in areas where there are enough resources , time and manpower to warrant making them . I think the use of guerilla style tactics and traps could prove very useful in avoiding needless fights and conserving ammo . You would probably see some small towns that have the outskirts setup like a booby trap lined gauntlet to deter the raiders and kill the zombies , while giving the survivors a chance to mount some type of resistance against the intruders .
McLuvin on 20 Apr 2011 at 12:46 pm #
How are you going to power these giant traps. The electric grids will be down and fuel will be precious.
big bear29 on 20 Apr 2011 at 1:42 pm #
Rigging up a power source won’t be that hard . If it is electric you can use solar panels and windmills and if you don’t have any you can make some . If its fuel based you can either run it off of ethanol which can be easily made from plants or you can have it powered by methane gas that is given off by decomposing organic matter ( plants , feces , food or zombie corpses ) which is nearly as easy to produce as ethanol .
It wouldn’t take much fuel to run these traps , maybe a couple gallons at most every time you have to use them . And you can get 250 gallons of ethanol from an acre of potatoes .
Also there are a lot of traps out there that don’t require power sources .
Angryvikingman on 20 Apr 2011 at 9:10 pm #
Its not hard to hook up a battery bank and use a modified bike/ca altenator and set up a battery charging system, and you can add some solar power to all of that too. I really have to set up some of this stuff and take video/pictures. Doubt that it could power a large woodchipper type trap though. Maybe, maybe a drop point with shears or crushing wheels at the bottom, because you can run electric motors with high horsepower and torque, but have small power usage. Smaller than a giant cheese grater anyway. LOL.
big bear29 on 21 Apr 2011 at 12:41 pm #
You should setup a topic telling how to setup different power sources after the collapse of society during a zombie outbreak . In my area solar panels and windmills would be a good choice , for some other areas a hydro electric power source might be prefferable . There are many different power sources to choose from .
Angryvikingman on 21 Apr 2011 at 9:49 pm #
Well, on an individual basis, solar and kinetic power would be the easiest to adapt per home. Not a whole lot of homes can be powered via hydroelectric. Although, if you are close to water, then hydroelectric can be done quite easily. All you have to do is dam up a section, then dig a small canal and install a small water/paddle wheel. The shaft of which can terminate in a large pulley, which turns a small pulley on a generator/alternator. Its actually pretty easy. Actually, I’ll get to work on an article about that right now.
CompShooter on 23 Apr 2011 at 10:46 am #
I often thought the same as far as hydro goes. Even if it is a slow, shallow 8″ deep but wide 10 -12 foot wide like I have available to run a paddle wheel over it and dig a trench into the stream bed to maximize the surface area of the paddle wheel. i would say that it would be easier / faster to construct and if you had a stream that is deeper than mine you may not need to dig a trench but go with a larger wheel diameter and wider for surface contact. Someware the must be a formula for diameter and width vs water speed and depth. It may have to be a experiment. I guess I would go for as much width and diameter as I could expidite until a more permanant solution. ( a 55 gallon drum(s) with paddles afixed and to two saw hoerses or live tree trunks and attached to a manual transmission in (1st gear)to obtain speed if need be since 4th or many final gears in manual transmissions are overdive or just 1 to 1 ratio with the imput shaft. or maybe hooked up backwards throught the tailshaft and do the work off the input shaft, hmmm have to think that one out yet.
CompShooter on 23 Apr 2011 at 10:48 am #
horses not hoerses…. fat finger foulup
Angryvikingman on 23 Apr 2011 at 10:58 pm #
Dont rack your brain too hard. Theres gonna be an artcle about it in a day or so. :D
CompShooter on 24 Apr 2011 at 9:52 am #
LOL grammar and misspellings everyware. Well that what I get, hopped up on coffee & donuts on a empty stomach
big bear29 on 24 Apr 2011 at 11:44 am #
If you want to find out how much power you can get from your stream heres the equation .
power in kilowatts = (head in feet) x (velocity in ft/sec) x (area in ft)
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HEAD refers to the vertical fall between the water source and turbine . in other words it is the difference in elevation between the point where the water will be divereted from its natural streambed to the point where the water will be piped into the turbine .
VELOCITY refers to how fast the stream flows .
CROSS SECTIONAL AREA is a product of the width and depth of the stream .
There are a lot of different choices as far as what type of wheel or turbine you can use . If you are going to use a water wheel there are the tub , breast , undershot and overshot wheels . The turbines are the pelton , propeller , cross flow and francis turbines .
You will more than likely have to make your own dam and trench if you are dealing with a stream that has a low head but a high flow . You will likely also have to build a trench to lead the water to the powerhouse .
24jp87 on 24 Apr 2011 at 12:38 pm #
Macgyver can kill zombies with a piece of kite string and a clothes hanger, hes like the chuck norris of blowing things up!
Angryvikingman on 24 Apr 2011 at 12:55 pm #
@BigBear29
Yeah, you will have to excavate because building a drop dam is impractical in the short amount of time and limited amount of supplies you will have. Working on the article now.
Semper Cogitant on 24 Apr 2011 at 5:42 pm #
Glad there’s an article on power generation in the works. That’s an important, but often overlooked, factor in long term survival.
I’m not sure I’d be using the power I generate to run huge zombie traps though.
I’ll also add that in the case of a stream you might also want to be thinking about using the mechanical power. You can use hydro power to run a mill, tools, a fan, or other things without converting it to electricity.
Of course you’d be able to use one water wheel to do both.
Looking forward to the next article.
Angryvikingman on 24 Apr 2011 at 9:24 pm #
I’ve actually got 3 articles nearing completion. Don’t want to publish them all at once though, that generally causes 2 out of 3 articles to die off pretty fast comments wise.
Yes, if you have a deep enough stream, then you can use a large waterwheel and use the mechanical energy to power equipment and produce power. Thing is, you have to custom make drive belts and the wooden gears to do all that. Not incredibly hard to anyone who scored above a 65 on their ASVAB. LOL!
Drive belts are made by soaking leather belts in water so they stretch, then installing them. When they dry they tighten up and become taut enough to run a mechanical drive. You can also crush a person to death in the same manner. :D
big bear29 on 24 Apr 2011 at 10:50 pm #
@Angryvikingman
Or you can just connect the turbine and the generator directly and you will have no need for a drive belt .
Angryvikingman on 25 Apr 2011 at 1:40 am #
Yeah, but that way you have several obstacles to overcome. Turbines need drop force to gain speed to push the turbine enough for high speed because its only at a 1:1 ratio, and you can have harmonic imbalance which will cause the dam and power station to destroy itself if its not precise or doesn’t have bearings in the right places to prevent imbalance. I like the water wheel method with 4:1 or larger ratio. That way, every 1 turn on the water wheel is 4 or more turns on the alternator.
Clifford "Ozzie" Nicolen on 27 Apr 2011 at 11:41 pm #
Haven’t posted in awhile. Anyway, my friend told me about that whole flour thing and then I believed it, found out it wasn’t true from you guys(thanks!)and looked at his E-mail.
That exact same message was in his Inbox.
Second time my friend makes me look like an idiot.
clancy McClavven on 02 May 2011 at 9:27 am #
are you serious? you are really putting all of this on the net? with all the terrorism in the world, you have just given out the recepies. you guys are idiots.
Angryvikingman on 02 May 2011 at 2:37 pm #
@ Clancy
I did all of my research on wikipedia, and I’m damn sure that more people visit wikipedia per day than this site. So, you sir are the idiot. This information is WIDELY avilable from a US patent search as well. I can’t help it that you are below average intelligence and can’t figure all of this out for yourself. Live your life holding big brother’s hand with your head in the sand, you pitiful fucking sheep.
clancy McClavven on 02 May 2011 at 2:54 pm #
nice man! you probably should think twice before you start using the things your mom says to you on your little website here.
Angryvikingman on 02 May 2011 at 3:11 pm #
Whatever, you uneducated sheep. I really pity you for your stupidity. Terrorists don’t read my website, and most of them already have access to military grade explosives in the first place. If not, its not exactly hard to manufactre a fuel oil bomb like the one that destroyed the Federal Bulding in Oklahoma City. McVeigh managed to do all that without reading my website. Like I said, ALL of what I posted on here I got STRAIGHT FROM WIKIPEDIA. As for manufacturing C-4, I did leave out steps, as it states IN THE ARTICLE. Everything else that I mentioned how to make with the exception of dynamite, you can legally manufacture for yourself. Dynamite and other common explosives only requires a license to purchase. So, since you’re too stupid to have looked up any of the legalities of this, I have explained them to you. Now, please do all of us who have a brain a favor and never come back here.
clancy McClavven on 02 May 2011 at 3:22 pm #
there is a reason i’m here, and i think its hilarious you actually think all this is going to happen. i don’t need to research the legalities of whether or not you can write this on the web, because i’m doing productive things like getting a job, dating women, and not living at my moms house at thirty-five.
clancy McClavven on 02 May 2011 at 3:23 pm #
dude pull your head out of your ass, and look around. this is the real world bro, not nazi zombies.
big bear29 on 02 May 2011 at 3:54 pm #
@clancy McClavven
Hey dumbass , this info is not some highly classified secret , its information that has been available to the public for decades . You can find some of these recipes in some of the books at your local library .
Also this is essentially a what-if website where people discuss what they would do in the event of an outbreak of zombies . A lot of the people on this site have repeatedly stated that they don’t think that an outbreak of zombies will ever happen . It is an intellectual discussion .
Also you are nothing special just because you date , have a job and don’t live with your parents . It just means you are like everybody else on the planet you moron .
Angryvikingman on 02 May 2011 at 3:58 pm #
Lol, first off, I’m 30, married, have 2 children, write for this website own my own home, and my own business. I’m pretty fucking productive. As big bear said, its a what if, because if you’re prepared for zombies, then you’re ready for just about anything. And if you stick around this site and ask around, you’ll learn that I don’t just talk the talk, I walk the walk. Nuff Said.
clancy McClavven on 03 May 2011 at 2:12 pm #
whoa now big bear! I’m glad you enjoy conversation, but you really don’t seem like the intellectual personality you are talking about. And if I’m such a moron for being successful, you obviously aren’t. So i feel bad for you. its pretty tough being as old as you are and not having anything in life but a few comments on a website about the zombie apocalypse. And angryvikingman, dude Im happy for ya, i really am. but that dosen’t change my opinion and i still think you’re an idiot. and as far as being productive, writing a website and owning a business isn’t really that great ya know?
That's Right on 03 May 2011 at 2:43 pm #
I agree Completely with Clancy! for real, grow up! this will never happen.
Angryvikingman on 03 May 2011 at 5:46 pm #
@ Clancy
Evidently you’re 16 or younger and have no idea what personal success is. You’ve probably had everything handed to you by your parents and have never had to fend for yourself. I’m sure your family is upper middle class and lives in a nice cookie cutter house in a massive suburb. You’ve probably never even had to do your own laundry. I’m not a millionaire, but you’re not either. So, STFU.
@ That’s Right
Again, take time to read. As I have commented before and as big bear did, this whole thing is an intellectual exercise, and a metaphor for preparedness. Tornados, hurricanes, earthquakes, and yes even zombies are natural disasters. Being prepared for a natural disaster is not stupid, an they seem to happen every few years. I’m sure all of the people in Alabama who were without power wished they had a lot of dried goods and other stuff like whats mentioned in “The Button Up Barrel” article because most people only keep things that need to be refridgerated, and a 2-3 days without power and everything you had in your fridge or deep freeze is gone. Aside from that, the towns around all of the disaster areas had stores picked clean by people from the disaster areas buying every kind of canned/boxed food and bottled water/soft drinks, not to mention gas. Trust me, I know, I went down there to help clean up. If you didn’t bring it with you, you couldn’t buy it within 50+ miles of any disaster area. Quit calling us stupid, and get your heads out of your asses and wake up. There is a real need to be prepared. Just ask the Alabama tornado and hurricane Katrina victims.
Angryvikingman on 04 May 2011 at 12:53 pm #
@clancy
BTW, I can tell that all those spam comments were coming from the same IP address. So I just marked them all as spam. change your name as many times as you want, the IP number is the same and I just look at that and throw the comments in the spam can. HA HA HA! retard. And trying to comment as me doesn’t work either, I log in to comment, so you can’t fake comments in my name. Nice try for sub par intelligence.
Thisisajoke on 04 May 2011 at 12:58 pm #
Clancy is just a closet homo who likes to draw on his body with fingerpaint made from his own poop. I love this website.
holyflip on 04 May 2011 at 12:59 pm #
Wow guys. Is there any point in arguing? He started this site for people to share what they think about it and share what they know and would like to know. Not talking about whos smarter? Or who’s a milionaire. People can have their own ideas and do what they want with their own lives. Thats all it is.
Question on 06 May 2011 at 5:47 pm #
Hey so i’m new to this webpage, and i was just wondering what the point of this site is? If its just for information then why don’t you just post a link to wikipedia, therefore minimizing accessibility of dangerous materials. If its for debate and/or discussions then why are you going so crazy? An argument needs two sides right?
From,
A friend
Angryvikingman on 06 May 2011 at 10:48 pm #
The point of the site? To spread survival information and tips.
The reason I don’t post links to wikipedia is because that defeats the purpose in a lot of cases. A lot of the time wikipedia provides information that isn’t necessarily important. I take what I feel is necessary and if it is straight forward enough, I may add it directly to the article, but if its filled with technical jargon, I’ll usually rephrase it so that its more understandable.
As for accessability to dangerous materials, I have provided no such thing. Everything I describe is legal to own and produce with the correct licenseure and documentation. In a lot of cases, such as for black powder and thermite they are legal to produce, own, and use without any paperwork whatsoever. For some reason Napalm is illegal to produce, but not illegal to possess according to the United Nations Convention on Certain Conventional Weapons. However, the U.S. did not sign protocol 3 which bans it from use, or production by civilians. So, if you’re not a complete moron, then you won’t break the law by producing explosives without the proper license. As was stated in the disclaimer, everything was provided for INFORMATIONAL PURPOSES, and in some cases, MANUFACTURING STEPS WERE INTENTIONALLY LEFT OUT TO DISCOURAGE PEOPLE FROM ATTEMPTING TO MANUFACTURE EXPLOSIVES.
As for an argument having two sides, yes, they all have two sides, BUT saying that I’m not allowing two sides is incorrect. People who intentionally abuse their first amendment right by being libelous are violating the rights of others themselves and not providing a viable counterpoint to the discussion.
As for anyone going crazy, 30+ blocked comments by the same person under different usernames in the same IP range just to try and decry and defame this website for providing information in any form that it sees fit via the first amendment is ludicrous. I am also allowed by law to defend my itellectual property and enterprises in any manner I see fit as long as its not illegal. Everything I did was legal, and not in excess.
Now, I have answered all of your “questions” in a suitable an sane manner. If you have nothing to contribute other than coming here to ask questions that do no pretain to the conversation, then don’t bother coming back.
wheelgunner on 08 May 2011 at 10:58 pm #
Bravo. And read around a little. This is perhaps the easiest post thats been made at least since I,ve been on here. Hell, I earned my stripes on here argueing a counterpoint. We are all satisfied.
Viking, if I am understanding context , and in the spirit of theroetics, could one not use a precise amount of thermite to weld a series of pipes into a cannon, as per a dozen websites and these engineers I know say that those sorts of weilds are what it is designed for? It’s something of a pet peive of mine, overwhelming firepower and all that.
wheelgunner on 08 May 2011 at 11:00 pm #
Also, loved the sheep comments.
big bear29 on 09 May 2011 at 10:13 am #
@wheelgunner
I know for a fact that you can use explosives to weld two peices of metal together , but I’m not to sure about thermite . I guess that it might work but it is far more likely to just melt through the metal than weld it together successfully . You would have to use a very small amount of thermite and even then you still shouldn’t use that pipe for a cannon , because it will likely tear apart at the weld and blow up in your face after being fired a few times .
My dad made a cannon when he was younger . All it was , was a foot or foot and a half long piece of pipe about three quarters of an inch thick attached to a t-joint that had a cap on each end . He mounted it to a big block of wood on wheels and the hole for the fuse was in part of the t-joint . This thing actually worked its “cannon” ball was actually just a baseball , he tried it out on an old abandoned outhouse in the indiana hill country . It blew the porcelain toilet that was inside of it right out the back of the outhouse . Unfortunately the guy that had snuck inside of it to relieve himself , while no one was looking , was not to happy about having the toilet shot out from under him , of course he no longer had to go to the bathroom after that .
Angryvikingman on 09 May 2011 at 10:48 am #
Yeah, I’m not sure of the procedure for using thermite to weld. I’ve only heard of it being used for welding train tracks, so IDK. If I was going to make a cannon, then I’d just use a solid section of pipe.
wheelgunner on 12 May 2011 at 11:30 pm #
Haven’t been able to find any pipe that thick that wasn’t mortar sized. And I mean the Civil War type. It is quite galling.
QAZZY on 15 May 2011 at 7:43 pm #
Since a land mine would only rip off a leg, you could find/fashion a Bouncing Betty mine (explode at head height).
Something important they fail to mention are dust bombs. They aren’t complicated (small charge to scatter and ignite the powder). C4 inside to scatter charcoal or aluminum, and this covers a large area (a 5lb bag of flour and a tuna can full of gunpowder covers 20x20ft-ish). I’m not going into detail, but read up on thermobarics (fuel-air explosives; thermo: heat, bar: wind, larger bombs produce supersonic winds that are thousands of degrees in temperature).
Angryvikingman on 15 May 2011 at 8:06 pm #
@QAZZY
Good idea. Whats the delay between the scatter charge and the ignition charge? The particulates have to be at the right concentration to ignite properly.
QAZZY on 18 May 2011 at 5:25 pm #
Try it yourself. I haven’t measured but it’s very, very quick. Dust bombs are great if you want a big boom, lots and lots of fire, with limited resources. It doesn’t take much effort to powder charcoal, and this is a good way to ration your explosives. Although, charcoal takes more energy to ignite, so you could put a layer of sugar underneath to ignite it in a chain reaction. I loved to do this as a kid. Get back though, because you’ll be covered in hot soot.
MrGrimm73 on 21 May 2011 at 5:38 am #
@ QAZZY
So, if 5lb flour to 6oz can of tuna full of gun powder [like starkist or whatever its called] covers roughly 20X20 ft … which is 80oz flour to 6 oz powder… which is a [roughly] 13:1 mix, I was just thinking if you could rig an empty soda can to work like a grenade, you’d have one hell of a convenient “micro explosive”, or you could throw it at their faces lol. Might not cause much damage, but it would probably work great in the occasional 1on1 or 2on1 encounters. You would need an empty soda can, which I’m sure you could easily find those just laying around, and a little powder. So 12oz can = 1oz powder:11oz flour [I realize not an exact 13:1, but whatever] which should cover about 4X4ft [3.60555127ft....so like i said 4 ft lol]. OR, even better an empty soda bottle, 20oz bottle = 2oz powder:18ozflour [little less than a perfect 13:1 but still covers roughly 7X7ft]. Not a HUGE explosion per se, but effective I’m sure in some situations. Any way just a thought I had while reading that.
MrGrimm73 on 22 May 2011 at 12:39 pm #
Damn, lol, there goes all that math… lol o well. Just curious though; about what size tuna can we talking about here? i would like to redo the math. And as far as left un-ignited, what if you just added some sugar to the bottom…that should help along the gunpowder…i think. i ust want to test this myself but i need the correct sizes to get the math done.
just wondering, cause I’m real curious to see if this is even feasible. And i was also thinking last night, that instead of flour, you’d be able to use a fine saw dust. cause i was thinking that during the aftermath, flour might be REALLY hard to come by…but you could always saw some logs.
Angryvikingman on 22 May 2011 at 12:44 pm #
Yeah, they did this on mythbusters a while back. It works.
QAZZY on 23 May 2011 at 6:18 pm #
@MrGrimm73
I discovered this during independent reading, looking through the Improvised Munitions Handbook. It was made for Army Special Forces and it says 5lb flour and a 6oz tuna can. I modded it, so instead of using 1/2 aluminum powder and 1.2 explosive, I used a slightly less powerful explosive, but more of it.
@Angryvikingman
Run more, lift less, it’ll do you more good, trust me.
wheelgunner on 31 May 2011 at 3:12 pm #
That fire bottle thing work as a landmine?
Macgyver Himself on 06 Jun 2011 at 5:24 pm #
So I just found your site and i kinda have to agree with clancy McClavven though i can see both sides. You ARE making dangerous information more widespread even if all of it IS available from Wikipedia, but he could of calmed down a bit when he said that! Try though and just post a link if you can so that at least this information is on one less site
Thanks,
ME!
Angryvikingman on 06 Jun 2011 at 7:01 pm #
I promise you, more people read wikipedia every day than we get visitors in a year. So I doubt that we’re spreading it around any more than anyone else.