To “Kill” A Zombie (By QAZZY)
In popular zombie media, whether it’s literature, video games or
Hollywood blockbusters, one rule remains in all of them, and it’s “Go
for the head”. A blow to the brain is the only way to neutralize the
zombie. While this may be the case in “magical” zombies, it won’t be
in the case in virus-infected zombies, which also have other
shortcomings.
You do not have to necessarily go for the head. A zombie will still
need oxygen, through blood, to support itself, and food to keep up its
legendary endurance. Defying laws of science, if zombies were to be
taken realistically, its merely impossible. It may not be human,
because it no longer thinks, and is “dead” and decomposing, but its
organs still run, and it is every bit as vulnerable as a normal
person, albeit one that doesn’t feel pain.
Zombies aren’t anywhere close to indestructible. They are constantly
rotting, and in cold
weather, why will stiffen up and their blood temperature will eventually drop
down, and ‘die’, the cells would freze and burst, or may be even
cryogenically preserved. The undead will dry up and shrivel into a
skin bag of bones, and will eventually desiccate in a hot, dry desert
climate (another reason, besides gun laws, that why Texas is ideal).
In a humid environment (D.C. summers, Florida, Southeast Asia,
Hawaii), decomposition will be accelerated, and it will not smell
pleasant, but the zombies’ flesh may be literally fallingoff the bone,
like good barbecue (a bit gross, but true). The choice of humans at
their target also puts them at a distinct advantage. Their only food
source is their top predator and their only method of reproduction.
That’s like a seal trying to get a polar bear to make it a seafood
medley, while it’s trying to have sex with it. Of course, it won’t end
well. A zombie is merely a slow, limping and rotting human, with its
only advantage being its inability to feel pain.
The laws of nature will be upheld on the undead, unless the virus
itself has further purposes. Maybe it photosynthesizes, to produce
glucose to power those never tiring, rotting muscles. Perhaps it
contains an artificial replacement for hemoglobin, allowing the ghoul
to operate even once its blood has dried into dust. This isn’t
possible, yet, with ‘yet’ being the operative term here. Pairing
chlorophyll and hemoglobin with a mind-altering disease, presumably a
prion, and a virus would be extremely difficult, but don’t take my
word for it, I’m not a genetic scientist.
So when the outbreak starts, don’t immediately go for the head,
experiment with body shots.If that fails, use what’s in between their
ears, and destroy what in between theirs.
Written by QAZZY 1-9th
Comments (90)
Angryvikingman on 27 Jun 2011 at 5:58 pm #
I would like to thank QAZZY for taking the initiative and writing something. Article ideas and articles themselves can be sent to angryvikingman@yahoo.com. I appreciate the help as sometimes life gets in the way of my writing duties, or I have writers block, which has happened before. I have 2 more in the works, a part 2 to Combat Without Firearms, and an article about finding a secured location to use as your base.
McLuvin on 27 Jun 2011 at 7:04 pm #
Of course, even if they are infection type zombies, a head shot should do the trick. No sense wasting ammo hoping on the body shots if the head is available.
wheelgunner on 27 Jun 2011 at 8:17 pm #
Also no need to waste bullets trying to get a head shot if something else works, and you are not a good enough shot to hit the head.
Reaver on 27 Jun 2011 at 8:21 pm #
If the zombies were the Dawn of the dead types where they were both fast AND had to be hit in the head that would make survival much more difficult. hitting a slowly walking target in the head isn’t difficult, but headshots would be.
personally I think “killing” the zombies isn’t really the focus anyway. just avoiding them and making sure they aren’t in a position to infect you is enough. they’ll fall apart on their own given enough time.
QAZZY 1-9th on 27 Jun 2011 at 8:43 pm #
Well Reaver, at one point or another you will have to kill them, they have no pain from lactic acid buildup, and they out number you. You can’t run away forever.
This article is not to discredit headshots, just saying that body shots are still viable. Maybe every other week or two, another dedicated reader can be dedicated with the task of writing a new article. Keep it fresh, and ease it up for our Angryvikingman :)
Reaver on 27 Jun 2011 at 9:16 pm #
oh, I’m not saying we’d never have to kill them, just that in this scenario discretion is the better part of valor.
Graey on 27 Jun 2011 at 11:16 pm #
I just hope zombies aren’t like the ones in Resident Evil or Zombieland. I’m not a good runner, and I’d really hate to shoot something only to have it get up again just when I start congratulating myself.
QAZZY 1-9th on 28 Jun 2011 at 6:42 am #
I’m hoping for a Zombieland. Even if some can run, they can really dumb and can be attracted into a horde. A car bombing can take care of a good-sized horde. Even if shrapnel doesn’t puncture the zed, keep in mind that concussive force can turn the brain into gel.
UK Survivor on 28 Jun 2011 at 10:11 am #
I love the sound of that idea. Set up traps and get a horde to follow you into it, aka the car bomb taking out the local horde is a great idea being teenager and fast will give me that outrunning edge my uncle makes explosives for quarrying (blasting limestone off cliff faces or hills) so the explosives are there and well the cars aint hard to find.
Reaver on 28 Jun 2011 at 7:03 pm #
something else off topic… that last stand game you have linked is probably the most retarded setup I’ve ever seen. search 12 hours for a weapon, find nothing and your main pistol can’t kill anything.
big bear29 on 28 Jun 2011 at 7:50 pm #
@QAZZY 1-9th
“The choice of humans at their target also puts them at a distinct advantage. Their only food source is their top predator and their only method of reproduction . That’s like a seal trying to get a polar bear to make it a seafood medley, while it’s trying to have sex with it. Of course, it won’t end well. A zombie is merely a slow, limping and rotting human, with its only advantage being its inability to feel pain.”
You should never assume that just because you are bigger , faster , stronger or smarter than your enemy that you will win in a fight . But if you need proof that you can lose to an enemy that is at a disadvantage I have a little test for you . Lets lock you in a room with a wolverine that has been pumped full of enough drugs that it can no longer feel pain and is royally pissed off . You are bigger than it is , you outweigh it , your smarter than it is , your stronger and faster and yet I will still place my bets on the little furry dude . I bet when the door opens after five minutes of you two fighting that you will be in even worse shape than he is . In fact he will likely be sorting through your remains to find the tasty pieces .
A lot of people assume that because we are the smartest thing on the food chain that we are therefore the most badass thing on the food chain and that we would win in a fight against any lesser beings . If you were to throw some of the people that think like this into shark infested waters , a lions den or a bears cave the odds are in favor of the stupid animal winning not the smart person . In a zombie outbreak you would be facing an enemy that doesn’t feel fear or pain , it doesn’t need to stop to rest or sleep , it is just a mindless automaton that will never stop coming until it is destroyed .
So it is more like a coyote trying to take down a herd of deer . One lone coyote can be killed by the deer , but every deer that gets bitten turns into another coyote to attack the herd of deer . While I agree that our intelligence and technology will provide an advantage against the zombies , their numbers and the ease with which they can increase those numbers will give them an even bigger advantage . Every hospital with bed ridden patients , every nursing home with abandoned grandparents and every school that is sheltering its young students and every refugee center is a place that zombies can go to to increase their numbers .
Angryvikingman on 28 Jun 2011 at 8:11 pm #
A wolverine, are you kidding? I once had my ass kicked by a 3lb cat. I have pictures on my facebook of that. If I’d have had welding gloves on, then I might have been ok. Little bitch shredded my hands and I was just trying to get her outside. She only survived because my wife wouldn’t let me take the shotgun and I only got one sho at her while she was running with the pistol and I missed by an inch.
Reaver on 28 Jun 2011 at 9:17 pm #
something else you should consider… every time we kill one of the z’s, that’s one less zack. whereas as if they just manage to land a single scratch or bite that’s one more zack. so victory s also their means of reproduction and is much more feasible for them than landing headshots is for us. the initial outbreak would be the worst, where no on is sure who is a zack and who isn’t and most infections would occur then. after this the kill ratio would go up and there would be far more zacks killed for every friendly. the only question would be if this ratio switch happened when there were still enough humans left to deal with the huge numbers of Zack.
QAZZY 1-9th on 28 Jun 2011 at 10:08 pm #
You should also consider that wolverines regularly kill
mooses (meese?).
big bear29 on 28 Jun 2011 at 10:14 pm #
@Angryvikingman
HAHAHAHAHA
That reminds me of fufu the attack poodle . Some burgalar broke into a little old ladies house and tried to rob her . Her 10 or 15 pound poodle bit off the guys left hand and tore off BOTH his testicles and it tore him up so bad that the police thought the guy fell through a plate glass window .
big bear29 on 28 Jun 2011 at 10:22 pm #
@QAZZY 1-9th
And they have been known to kill adult grizzly bears . The reason I picked the wolverine is because even though it is small it can and does take down much larger enemies . Enemies that have the advantage in size , weight , speed , strength and sometimes intelligence . Thats why you shouldn’t assume you are going to win just because you have an advantage over your enemy .
wheelgunner on 29 Jun 2011 at 12:25 am #
And you Always seem to asume that you will be in a position of strength when they get you. Be realistic. It’s going to be in that one moment of weekness, or necessary incaution, that will be the one to kill you. Like sleeping, being sick, or hurt, or salvaging supplies, or making them. They have a set of advantages on us, as we do to them, and it will be up to how well They exploit them vs how well We do as to who comes out on top. And, as you have admitted in a round about way, there is going to be a rather steep learning curve.
QAZZY 1-9th on 29 Jun 2011 at 1:03 pm #
Of course, not feeling pain or sleeping are huge advantages. You can hold someone and not loosen your grip or drop from lactic acid burn, or run for distances that would drop anything mortal. But my point is, zombies aren’t as hard to kill as we may think.
@big bear29
Wolverines are pretty damn scary. A zombie virus probably wouldn’t affect non-humans, so it would be a good time to be a wolverine. They quite a bit stronger and faster than people too. We shouldn’t drop our guard, and keep fighting.
Reaver on 29 Jun 2011 at 3:13 pm #
speaking of zombie killing, what do you guys think is the best zombie killing pistol? I’m looking at the walther p22 for it’s ammo capacity, relatively quiet shots and how common the rounds are, but I know .22′s have a bad reputation of jamming. any other ideas?
wheelgunner on 29 Jun 2011 at 3:22 pm #
Dear god, the lack of stopping power in a .22 pistol. I have a Taurus .357 magnum that I quite enjoy. If that won’t kill them nothing will, highly accurate, and at least in the U.S. ammo is not that much of a problem. It is a revolver, so it’s dependability over firepower.
Angryvikingman on 29 Jun 2011 at 3:35 pm #
Actually, I know people who hunt deer with 22lr. Its not a good brush or long distance gun, but under 100 yards, its just as deadly as most anything. I have a pair of Walther P22s and one is suppressed. Mine are excellent, and both have a round count over 5k through them. A Ruger 10/22 is great for under 100 yards. Put a decent 16 power scope on it and you can lay the zeds to waste at 100 yards.
Reaver on 29 Jun 2011 at 4:55 pm #
I know .22′s don’t have much stopping power, but witha stereotypical zombie, that isn’t the point. no point in knocking something down if it can just get back up and ignore the gaping hole in it’s chest. I was thinking a suppressed .22 would be the ideal zombie killing pistol because the gunshots would be quiet enought, even using non subsonic rounds that they wouldn’t be audible for great distances.
McLuvin on 29 Jun 2011 at 6:36 pm #
For traditional zombies a suppressed 22 is the best choice. Quiet lethality is the main benefit, but the fact you can carry so much ammo is also huge. With centerfire rounds you will be weighed down with a couple hundred. With .22 you can multiply that by 8-10 times. The .22 has been killing things large and small since before any of our grandpas were alive. anyone who says the .22 isn’t lethal just isn’t a good shot. A .357 is a decent cartridge but it is a terrible choice for zombies. Magnum power is wasted on headshots and the extra noise will bring trouble. If you use your .357 much(especially indoors) you will be so deaf the zombies will walk right up on you. If you don’t have a suppressor the .22 is still one of the quietest rounds available. I think the best .22 ever made is the stainless Ruger MKII. It is accurate and reliable. I’ve seen too many P22s fall apart to recommend one.
If the zeds are rage type, I recommend the 9mm. High capacity, widely available, ample power. While enormous compared to the .22, 9 is still a small cartridge. You will be able to carry more than most other calibers. It is the most common centerfire handgun cartridge on the planet so it’s easy to find. It’s much quieter and easier to shoot than most. A can would be a nice addition to this one as well. As much as I love revolvers, zombies are a capacity game. Any of the current duty style guns would be a good choice(Glock, M&P, XDm, Sig, CZ, HK, etc).
Reaver on 29 Jun 2011 at 6:51 pm #
hmmm… with rage type zombies, stopping power would come into play more, yeah. I’d actually prefer a .45 for that. next to the 9mm, most common pistol round in america and I’d probably be either using a USP or a nice 1911. can you attach a suppressor to a MKII?
Reaver on 29 Jun 2011 at 8:02 pm #
true. I’m just predisposed to 1911′s. lol. I actually just did some looking around and the buckmark rimfire’s seem to be level with rugers in terms of performance but have a lot more options availible. While I was hunting around for weapons, I also found out that cheness katana’s are supposedly incredibly for cutting and aren’t going to bankrupt me like most of the other manufacturers would. that 9260 blank slate one should make an interesting project.
QAZZY 1-9th on 29 Jun 2011 at 9:10 pm #
I’m thinking of switching my primary MOS to 0321, and they issue all of them the MEU(SOC) from Kimber. Sweet handgun, but I’d still want a 9mm for ammo capacity. I’ll stick with my Glock 34 and 22/45. I have an FN Five-Seven, but parts and ammo are a b**** to find. But high ammo capacity, accuracy and penetration make it the king of handguns.
If it turns out zombies aren’t susceptible to body shots, I’ll get myself a 10/22 and more .22LR rounds. I think people will overlook the .22 in raids. It’s fine. More for us.
McLuvin on 29 Jun 2011 at 9:30 pm #
The buckmark is ok for target shooting but it doesn’t have the life expectancy of the Ruger. It uses too much aluminum instead of steel like the Ruger.
Angryvikingman on 29 Jun 2011 at 9:34 pm #
If you want more punch with a light round, consider the 22 mag. The keltec PMR (pistol) has 30 round mags, and they’re coming out with the RMR (Carbine) that uses the same mag. So not only is your ammo interchangable, so are your mags. The 22 mag is more than accurate at 150 yards, and has only 100 less foot lbs of energy than the 9mm.
Check out the PMR and RMR by kel-tec, I think you’ll be suprised. (BTW the PMR is FUGLY! but effective.)
Oh yeah, I still fire the hell outta my P22s McLuvin and no problems yet. May need to replace the barrels soon, but after a few thousand rounds a year over 6 years, you’d need to do that with any pistol.
McLuvin on 29 Jun 2011 at 11:18 pm #
The .22 mag definitely adds some range and power over the LR, but you lose the availability. The average gun shop will carry twenty times as much LR as mag.
I’m glad your P22s are still running, Vike. Some are doing pretty well locally too. When I ran the range I saw too many wear out to trust them myself. The average seemed to be around the 5-6k round mark. They may have improved the design after the first couple years. They were a nice little gun just not built for longevity. My rugers have tens of thousands of rounds through them and are still like new. Handguns aren’t like rifles, if they are well made you should neve need to replace the barrel in your lifetime.
On a side note, how do I post a pic from photo bucket on here? I tried to but the IMG file didn’t do it. That’s how I do it on glocktalk.
Angryvikingman on 30 Jun 2011 at 6:02 am #
For some reason normal forum html tags don’t work on here. Just put the URL, but you can only do 1 or 2 before it’ll have to be approved by an admin. IDK any other way to do it.
QAZZY 1-9th on 30 Jun 2011 at 8:55 am #
That’s pretty sweet. I’ve been thinking of getting a new shotgun. My over-under is durable as hell, but I’m looking at something with more capacity.
McLuvin on 30 Jun 2011 at 11:32 am #
I highly recommend the the benelli M1/M2.
Reaver on 30 Jun 2011 at 3:58 pm #
eh, I don’t think a shotgun would be that useful against anything but the rage type zombies.
McLuvin on 30 Jun 2011 at 4:07 pm #
Agreed. The ammo is too big and heavy to carry much as well. Shotguns are great for other things though.
Reaver on 30 Jun 2011 at 8:38 pm #
such as? the only thing I can think of would be hunting, and I’d prefer to use my main firearm for that. a well made AK would be accurate enough that hunting at range wouldn’t be an issue and those things can be literally buried in the mud for a year, dug up and fired.
QAZZY 1-9th on 30 Jun 2011 at 8:39 pm #
A sawn-off double barrel would be very versatile.
McLuvin on 30 Jun 2011 at 9:58 pm #
A shotgun is a very effective weapon in most situations. It is easier for a barely trained partner to hit with, it packs more punch at close range than just about anything, and it can shoot a variety of ammunition to fit different situations. In an environmental emergency(like post Katrina) a good shotgun would be perfect for home defense. As much as people like to talk about 300 yard engagements, the truth is, they are extremely rare. A shotgun is capable of handling any situation from 0-100+ yards. The only reasons it isn’t ideal fo zombies is the low capacity and heavy ammo. Most situations don’t require thousands of rounds and speed reloads.
Reaver on 30 Jun 2011 at 10:44 pm #
true. for pretty much any emergency besides zombie breakouts, shotguns are perfect. lol
QAZZY 1-9th on 01 Jul 2011 at 7:27 am #
At any rate. A family member of mine that could survive the zombie apocalypse is my grandmother. I’ve seen her split bones and meat thicker than a human skull with ridiculous precision, so imagine her with a tomahawk. Considering her practice, she can fire a shotgun better than I can, but age makes her unable to fire a 12-gauge, so she fires a 20-gauge. She can’t quite run, but she can keep a fast walking pace for miles. And she grows a garden with enough vegetables to constitute a balanced diet alone. I haven’t thought of this until I visited her last weekend and went skeet shopting with her.
McLuvin on 01 Jul 2011 at 10:03 am #
Our grandparents are some tough old bastards. They lived through alot of crazy stuff. I agree that they will be able to teach dome valuable skills to younger survivors. Sadly they are usually on too much medication to last long if society breaks down. I know my grandparents take a dozen different pills a day for blood pressure, blood sugar, arthritis, osteoporosis, etc. These will be hard to find when the pharmacy isn’t getting deliveries anymore.
wheelgunner on 01 Jul 2011 at 1:26 pm #
Or, god help us, insulin. Thats a one way ticket, shtf.
big bear29 on 01 Jul 2011 at 4:46 pm #
You can count on at least a third or even half of the total population dying because they will no longer have access to the medication that keeps them alive .
Without modern day medicines available a lot of people are going to die off from everyday diseases that are easily curable . The average life span is probably going to drop from 80 to 40 or 50 , and thats not even taking into account the zombies and hostile survivors .
Reaver on 01 Jul 2011 at 6:38 pm #
you’re forgetting one thing… no more fast food. so less heart attacks. haha
QAZZY 1-9th on 01 Jul 2011 at 9:43 pm #
In the end, the weak will be wedded out, leaving a smarter, tougher and deadlier human being. If Hitler is behind this, then yes, we’ll have a ‘master race’.
Leor on 02 Jul 2011 at 4:34 am #
Been waiting for this thread for a while.
Have you guys ever seen all those web pages about people who have sustained ridiculous amounts of damage to the head, skull and brain and come out alive and functioning. A zombie would probably use a lot less of it’s brain than a human, scary to think that some of them would probably survive headshots.
On another note, friends of mine who have been through pistol training in the IDF(reserved for “special forces” we regs only use the m-16 or m-4) and they say that as far as they are concerned they’d never take a pistol as a primary.
McLuvin on 02 Jul 2011 at 11:23 am #
Pistol is only a primary when a rifle is not available. In everyday society it would be frowned on to carry a rifle. We are likely to only have a handgun when something goes down. If you make it home to your arsenal or can scavenge a long gun you will be better off. Once zombies are eating everyone, rifles will be a little more acceptable as fashion accessories. As for people surviving head trauma, it is possible, but uncommon. The vast majority of people who get shot in the head expire. Without modern medical assistance a headshot or blunt trauma to the head will kill most people. Just like facing a living opponent, if you shoot them and it doesn’t end the threat, shoot them again.
QAZZY 1-9th on 02 Jul 2011 at 1:50 pm #
Rifles are bulky as well, so in clearing a house, I’m taking my Glock, not my XM-15. Carrying a knife with a handgun like in the movies is actually quite viable. A great accessory to have is a lanyard like the MEU(SOC). I’m changing my primary MOS to be a recon man. There’s apparently no shortage of reconnaisance men.
CompShooter on 02 Jul 2011 at 6:29 pm #
I think I would take my xm-15 shorty, along with a pistol for backup there may be living hostiles and may need the firepower.
QAZZY 1-9th on 02 Jul 2011 at 8:38 pm #
There’s a short barrel XM? I though it was a target/competition rifle. I don’t think I’ll need my XM, I’ll give it to survivors. I have my M1A for medium-long range engagements, a Remington 700 for longer range (.300 Win Mag), my M4 for short range, and my Glock for clearing houses.
McLuvin on 02 Jul 2011 at 10:56 pm #
House clearing is one of the most dangerous activities you can participate in. If you know what you are doing a carbine or shotgun is great for house clearing. Up close you want stopping power that you don’t always have with a handgun.
QAZZY 1-9th on 03 Jul 2011 at 7:15 am #
Stopping power is the reason I’m shopping for a .357 Magnum
handgun. I’ve been looking at the Glock.
McLuvin on 03 Jul 2011 at 9:03 am #
You’ve been looking at the Glock .357 magnum?
CompShooter on 03 Jul 2011 at 10:20 am #
My Bushmaster XM-15 is a 11″ bbl with a 6″ flash hider to maintain ATF rules but being a machinist that can change. I have used it in IPSC rifle shoots, My main game is CMP with a AR platform. I have a head start on a M1A with a barreled reciever I traded for but by the time I put a Krieger bbl on it and get the other parts, and not used GI gunshow parts that you have to sort through with gages, I’m not that far away dollar and time wise from going to Fulton or Springfield armory and getting one set up better than I could. Another reason I like the AR platform is that they are easily built and have lots of variations.
Aztec Coyote on 03 Jul 2011 at 1:45 pm #
Finally, someone talks about the Viral Zombies. i was always so tired of hearing about the stereotypical, magical zombie that only dies from headshots and doest require anything to survive the extended periods of time everyone says they do.
When zombies happen, it’s gonna be viral. Like Resident Evil but not the movies, the videogames. But just because they are viral, it doesnt mean they’ll be any less deadly just cause they are easier to kill. Heck, there might be mutations in the virus strand that will make them deadlier. It is a virus afterall.
McLuvin on 03 Jul 2011 at 2:14 pm #
You should just SBR your XM. If you are going to have a 16″ barrel why not get the benefits of it? You are losing velocity with no length savings.
Angryvikingman on 03 Jul 2011 at 4:44 pm #
For real, its only an extra 200 bucks. Was thinking about doing a SBR upper for mine, and just switching out uppers for different needs. Plus you can put a can on it and its not gonna be over 2 ft of barrel.
CompShooter on 03 Jul 2011 at 4:56 pm #
Yeah i thought of doing that and having different uppers for IPSC etc. hmm would have to look up IPSC rules on that. IDK if or what they allow but it is a thought.Hell, may just have to get another rifle to set up!
CompShooter on 03 Jul 2011 at 6:26 pm #
@mcluvin
What I was going for with the XM is needing a shorter and lighter weapon for IPSC rifle hence the stock and shorter barrel. My CMP rifle is specific to CMP 600 – 800yd. The rules specify (in stock class) what you can use. No adjustable stock and must be open sight and must have a carry handle either fixed or removable. No tactical charge handles just stock basicaly. You can have NM peeps on it and a free float tube but it has to be under the stock hand guard, a two stage trigger is allowed and with a 20″ stainless barrel it is maybe a little under a third or so heavier on the front half which is desireable in that game but would be seiously clumsy to use going through doorways and plastic barrels then doing steel poppers at 10 through 25 yds etc. velocity hasnt been a problem on the steels since I reload using 55gr on 1-9 twist and have been prepared to up the charge and doing some crono checking to stay within pressures. I want to stay with 55 gr since it is available all the time, even the no name stuff I find at the gun shows is ok (I still weigh out on a scale to make sure they are what they are supposed to be) at the short distances and steel poppers. I use the sierra 69 gr HPBT for CMP among other case preps that I do. I have used the sierra 77 gr HPBT but you have to single load using a SLD device since they are longer than the mag allows. Going SBR is a good thought tho.
McLuvin on 04 Jul 2011 at 1:30 am #
I realize the idea of having a shorter barrel. My point was that you are getting the negatives of a short barrel with none of the benefits. If I’m gonna stay with a legal length barrel it might a well be doing something.
CompShooter on 04 Jul 2011 at 8:50 am #
Understood and point taken. For now it serves the purpose until I can determine if the rules allow SBR, I honestly dont know and would hate to show up and they say no. Sure, a second upper would cure that but thats even more $ to spend. I do like the idea of converting it (legaly) and plan to do so at another time. Happy 4th to all and all who is serving or has served!
Haslantis on 06 Jul 2011 at 5:21 am #
a real zombies unlikely to have massive healing power so just a shot to take a body part and to immobilise the zombie is all that really needed as you will only be doing so to get away.
Reaver on 06 Jul 2011 at 1:40 pm #
eh, that could actually make them more dangerous in the long run, as a crippled zombie is harder to spot. also, if you have time to aim at and hit a kn, hip or the spine, you could just have easily landed a headshot.
QAZZY 1-9th on 07 Jul 2011 at 5:35 pm #
Reaver, but why aim specifically for the hip? Center mass is a large area.
Reaver on 07 Jul 2011 at 8:17 pm #
I was responding more to haslants saying to aim for a specific body part to disable. if you’ve got a weapon with a lot of stopping power and no time to aim, yeah center of mass makes sense.
OliverCthulhu on 10 Jul 2011 at 7:30 pm #
If zombies are of the rage type, are they still alive or undead? I’ve always wondered about that.
And if they’re alive, would critical shots to the body still work? (like the heart)
QAZZY 1-9th on 10 Jul 2011 at 11:54 pm #
That was the point of the article, by science, zombies can’t be walking dead, merely infected. So I think in any case, they’re alive, just no longer healing (decomposing) with reduced mental functions (pain, coordination, ability to use surroundings to advantage, form groups, etc.).
wheelgunner on 11 Jul 2011 at 11:04 am #
Or not, so sceince doesn’t matter in the slightest. It’s a grab bag that we know anything at all. I hate this particular arguement. At best it’s a 50/50 chance you guessed right and are acordingly prepared properly.
Reaver on 18 Jul 2011 at 6:19 pm #
so when will the winners of this be announced?
zombiegoesKABOOM on 18 Jul 2011 at 6:32 pm #
Hmm good guide i guess but it doesnt tell much on how to actually “kill it” more of a science article
Angryvikingman on 18 Jul 2011 at 7:46 pm #
You mean of the fort contest? Well, it doesn’t end until Sept 1st. So, after the 1st.
Reaver on 18 Jul 2011 at 9:24 pm #
wow… yeah, posted this on the wrong article. Headache. :/
Reaver on 18 Jul 2011 at 9:24 pm #
I was wondering why my comment disappeared when I went to check on it. lol
Tinhead on 30 Jul 2011 at 7:41 pm #
what would you say would be the best weapons to use would be, because loud weaponry could make it worse for you as it could attract more zombies to your location would you say sniper rifles are a good idea and assault rifles or would you go the route of crossbows and swords?
Reaver on 31 Jul 2011 at 12:20 pm #
crossbow’s are a generally bad idea. It’s the equivalent of using a silenced muzzleloader. slow rater of fire and unwieldy. a regular composition bow would be better. it doesn’t take much practice to be accurate with those, particularly if you leave the stock sights on and don’t fire by reflex.
QAZZY 1-9th on 31 Jul 2011 at 1:15 pm #
@Tinhead
There is no ‘perfect weapon’. Guns are more effective than quieter and more reliable melee weapons. It also depends on how you’ve been trained, and your personal preferences. Personally, from my experience, I’ll go with a Remington 700 and AR-15 based weapon.
wheelgunner on 31 Jul 2011 at 6:24 pm #
I personally have a mix and match, “cowboy” revolver, scout rifle, sword, hand ax, and a couple different size knives and daggers. Go with what you like, can get your hands on, and then just go with what you can carry the best as a unit.
3-15 INF on 01 Aug 2011 at 8:10 am #
@ QAZZY 1-9TH-
Don’t look to the Glock for a .357 magnum- they offer a chambering in .357 SIG, which is a bottlenecked round, but no Magnum Glocks, sorry.
3-15 INF on 02 Aug 2011 at 9:14 am #
this argument has always depended on your definition and description of a zombie. Slow= easy to kill, Fast- hard to kill
The common logic for this website in general is to prepare for the worst case scenario. If your’e prepared for the zombie apocolypse, your’e prepared for everything!
Thus, prepare for fast zombies you can only kill by destroying the brain, that way if your’e wrong and theyr’e easier to kill, your’e good to go.
THAT means preparing to shoot them in the head using a shotgun at close range (less than 25M) or multiple rounds fired quickly.
QAZZY 1-9th on 20 Aug 2011 at 7:06 pm #
Are you sure? The box says .357 Magnum, and I can load them in my Glock…
Angryvikingman on 21 Aug 2011 at 6:35 am #
Uh, no… glocks in .357 are in .357 sig not magnum.
QAZZY 1-9th on 21 Aug 2011 at 7:48 pm #
Hmm… second comment didn’t go through. I just noticed I bought the box at a yard sale and it was full of .357 SIG. I don’t fire it much, so I still have lots of rounds.
Mercenary on 05 Oct 2011 at 2:59 am #
While the body shots may be viable, the head or severing of the top of the spinal column will effectively immobilize them regardless of the type of infection. Even if a head-shot wont put them down, they will become incapacitated and that will make disposing of them far easier, also helping to control their population.
If you have the means, might I suggest a carbine with optics to assist you. If you can fire with iron sights, optics are cake. Don’t forget to keep iron sights affixed (traditional or flip-up) in case of an optics failure. Also, never forget your sidearm.
keith collins on 19 Oct 2011 at 11:58 pm #
i heard that orgone water energize neutral water can kill zombies
i thought you could shoot paint balls filled with orgone water at their heads it suppose to burn like sulfuric acid , no blood splashing no spread of infection inthe ground and area ,, put them in a burn barrel,
incinerate them just a thougth have allthose horde havig there eyes burned out of them you go out there and try out try new sword out how many can you pile up and burn game
Marceline on 22 Oct 2011 at 12:26 pm #
Thank so much for writing this! But wouldn’t the brain still be the first target, since if something happens to the brain then it wouldn’t be able to send out signals to the other organs to function? Again thanks :)
Z_Creator on 19 Dec 2011 at 9:58 am #
Remember rule #2 from zombieland: “Double Tap”
Maybe you shot the zombie in the heart, but how to now if they are really dead??
A bodyshot (in the chest) and a headshot might be useful
Besides, why would I shot the zombie in, in don’t know, the legs??
it would be useless and a waste of ammo
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dfenton on 04 Nov 2012 at 10:57 pm #
I know this is an old post but…what if the zombie isnt a zombie in terms of rotting flesh? Perhaps a chemical/drug is released that just causes permanent insanity/hysteria/serial killer-ness (its a word now)….just the need to eat and kill other humans, body stays fuctioning….we all know body shots dont always take down a deranged human being, be it from drugs or just plain old craziness…I still think the head shot would be my first choice. Although I must say if I ever find myself in said position, i will probably be shooting for whatever…no legs would definitely slow a zombie down…