World War Z to the big screen
For those that have not yet heard the news, it looks like World War Z will be making it’s way to theaters in 2012. Here are some details:
It’s coming. World War Z. The long-awaited adaptation of the zombie cult classic is shooting, and will be in theaters late next year. Paramount announced a December 21, 2012 holiday release for World War Z, director Marc Forster’s adaptation of Max Brooks’ novel about a global zombie takeover. This stars Brad Pitt, Mireille Enos, James Badge Dale and Bryan Cranston; Pitt is also producing with Plan B partner Dede Gardner, financed by Skydance Productions. This puts the zombie epic up against Disney’s The Lone Ranger and Ang Lee’s Life of Pi that very weekend, plus Tarantino’s Django Unchained on Christmas Day.
Though some claim that the movie will tick off some fans of the book since it will deviate from the book, it is hard not to get excited about a new zombie movie, especially one with a decent budget to get it done.
What so you, ZAC fans? Will this be one to add to the collection or another failed attempt at a classic?
Comments (66)
Reaver on 16 Aug 2011 at 12:22 pm #
Hopefully someone will decide to use the original script that received Max Brooks’ seal of approval in a new movie. This movie might be good, but it will be an action movie dealing with standard run and gun plot sequences rather than exploring the emotional and political development of mankind in the face of this kind of crises.
McLuvin on 16 Aug 2011 at 4:55 pm #
I will wait anxiously and hope for the best.
big bear29 on 16 Aug 2011 at 10:00 pm #
I don’t hold out a lot of hope for this movie . In his book Max Brooks was mostly right on the money for how people and governments would react and how the world would go to crap . But he doesn’t know shit about military strategy and tactics or the effectiveness of modern military weaponry . If you don’t believe me just read the section about the battle of yonkers . This idiot made it sound like the weapons were about as useful as spitballs . He talked about how some of the zombies wouldn’t go down because the 7.62 mm rounds would ricochet off parts of their skull and how the apache helicopters were ineffective . I’m sorry , but if you get shot in the head with a 7.62mm round the odds that it will just skip off your skull are absurdly small . In fact your odds of having a 7.62mm skip off your skull are about as good as your odds of surviving a shotgun blast to the face , it does happen but only rarely . Also he down played the effectiveness of the apache , the way he described it could hardly kill any of the zombies . The apache is equipped with a 30mm chain gun firing exploding bullets , 70mm rockets and hellfire missiles and this idiot thought that wouldn’t do anything .
I hope they did change the movie to display the actual abilities of the weapons in the book .
Reaver on 16 Aug 2011 at 10:04 pm #
yeah, he downplayed the effectiveness, but I did agree that most of those weapons were rendered drastically less effective by the undead’s inability to feel pain or ability to die from standard causes such as blood loss and hydrostatic shock. and I think the zombie who survived being shot at the head was likely supposed to have been hit in a way that it penetrated the skull and missed the brain, or only non important parts of the brain were destroyed.
McLuvin on 16 Aug 2011 at 10:24 pm #
In the book he used the battle of Yonkers to show that the weaponry and how we use it was not the best way to fight this new enemy. Of course rockets and exploding 30mm rounds will do damage but shock and awe weapons don’t work well on mindless hordes.
Angryvikingman on 16 Aug 2011 at 10:40 pm #
I’m sorry, but a bunch of guys firing full auto en masse would liquify the zombies. Due to the putrifaction of the bodies, the bullets would likely penetrate more than one, and a few 240Bs and .50 M2s would obliterate everything in their way. Shoot at shoulder height and you’re likely to sever the spinal cord and that renders the body ineffective. You might make some land sharks, but those are easy enough to mop up. Proper barricades would create a funnel to direct the fire to do the most damage. Max Brooks is a fucking hack.
Reaver on 16 Aug 2011 at 11:10 pm #
they were supposed to be dealing with hundreds of thousands to millions of zombies, basically everyone who was bitten in NYC came out for that fight. and he says the weapons do fine at first…. then they run out of ammo due to lack of foresight by the politicians and generals. that’s when it gets interesting.
big bear29 on 16 Aug 2011 at 11:54 pm #
Yeah they didn’t have enough ammo for the fight . They also didn’t clear the buildings behind and around them . They didn’t make proper use of artillery , air assets , snipers , heavy weapons , mines or ground vehicles . This is a strategy that would have made Custer proud , but it is very unlikely that the U.S. military would make so many mistakes for such an important battle . This was their chance to show everyone they would win against this enemy and instead it was FUBAR from the very beginning .
These zombies were advancing across a long straight bridge . All they would have needed to do is clear the buildings around them and setup 50. cal machine guns and mk19 40mm grenade launchers in the buildings along with snipers . Then position humvees and tanks in a line across the highway and use the machine guns mounted on them and the tanks canister rounds . With those alone they could have held back the zombies if they had enough ammo . With a lot of bombers loaded with cluster , fragmentation and napalm bombs as well as artillery firing HE and frag rounds the battle of yonkers would have turned into a meat grinder . And if the zombies get to close set off a wall of claymores that are setup in front of the vehicles at chest height .
jay on 17 Aug 2011 at 7:23 am #
well im looking forward to it coming out
Beth on 17 Aug 2011 at 2:03 pm #
I’d rather see a movie based on the survival manual. But if WWZ is the pick, why couldn’t they make it as close to the book as possible?
I’ll watch just about any zombie movie (Flight of the Living Dead, anyone?). But WWZ makes geopolitical statements about apartheid, Latinos, Israel/Palestine, American consumerism, and Islam that are worth examining.
WWZ is too big and has too many issues? Just make another zombie flick. Then I don’t have to be all frustrated and disappointed.
Chase on 17 Aug 2011 at 5:45 pm #
I really enjoyed the book. I am disappointed to hear that the movie will be deviating from the book. As a fan of most, if not all, zombie movies I know I will enjoy the movie and look forward to watching it. I liked how the book took you from the beginning to the end of the Z War on a global view. While most Z movies focus on a small group or person trying to make it out alive, WWZ takes it to global scale. Which, I haven’t seen before.
I agree with Beth. If it’s going to be just ‘another zombie movie’ why base it off of WWZ. Probably just for the name.
With all a zombie media, a certain level of ‘willingness of disbelief’ must be taken into account. Focusing in on weapons is asinine. If you want to talk weapons go to ‘Guns & Ammo’ website.
I really enjoyed Max Brooks’ take. It’s original. If you want to read something unoriginal and written ‘by a hack’ go to ’10 Things every zombie hunter should know’ on this website. Now that’s Crap.
wheelgunner on 18 Aug 2011 at 12:36 am #
Hard to judge something that I haven’t seen yet. We’ll see.
dianako on 18 Aug 2011 at 12:15 pm #
Why do you think some people are so fond of movies or other shows with the zombie theme? That includes me
Beth on 19 Aug 2011 at 12:44 pm #
@ dianako: We like these themes because they speak of the extremes of human nature. We know that atrocities actually do occur everywhere across the globe.
Horror happens in large-scale battles and small-scale brutal one-on-one attacks. Facing these horrors in fiction helps to ensure we can survive and prosper in real life.
CompShooter on 19 Aug 2011 at 1:07 pm #
I liked the book well enough in spite of the balllistic errors. I liked the geo political aspect and ramifications before, during and after the great panic and then bringing the stories down to a personal level from people all over the world. I read months ago that Forester promised Paramount it will be PG-13 instead of R. I hope the movie can still deliver, plus having a well known actor as Pitt could be a bad thing. I don’t hate him but I do think he over played inglorious bastards.
Docwade on 20 Aug 2011 at 10:15 pm #
50 cals and 240′s are magical. You’re purposing an anti material weapon and a suppressive fire weapon firing full auto and trying to make one-for-one or better brain or spine shots? Good luck with that.
Reaver on 20 Aug 2011 at 11:33 pm #
huh? .50 cals are impractical for mobile or individual use, but there’s very few sniping calibers that have it beat.
McLuvin on 21 Aug 2011 at 9:33 am #
I only see one major flaw in your plan. You are putting a lot of faith in the shooting ability of your troops. 1 in 3 rounds would be a great hit ratio and you can’t count on multiple kills per round especially before they get in the k-rail alley.
Angryvikingman on 21 Aug 2011 at 9:58 am #
Oh, I know, but hitting a zombie in the head at 50 feet while its trying to climb through a car shouldn’t be too hard, and even easier if they’re stuck in wire just 10 feet away. At the first 2 high wall, they’ll be firing from an elevated position, and will pretty much have nothing to shoot at but heads if its packed full near the wall so they can take their time until the pressure of the zeds causes the wall to collapse or they somehow can scale concrete with no hand holds. The claymore detonation will give them time to fall back and take up secondary positions with the flamethrower guys. I figure being able to almost put the muzzle to the head of the zed pretty much negates the need to aim.
As for the belt feds, well, once a throng of zombies is in the kill zone, then the rounds from 2 guns traveling 1.5 feet apart will at least disable the zombie and slow it enough for it to die a firey death at the hands of the “Flame Bats” (lol) The troops at the front are just to stem the initial flow. I could always put parking blocks in the corridor to slow the zombies advance. Lol, they be trippin’. Eventually the bodies of the dead themselves would become an impediment to their progress. They 249 and m4 gunners near the front will also have ample fodder to fire at from point blank.
Angryvikingman on 21 Aug 2011 at 1:34 pm #
Yeah, see he gets it.
Docwade on 21 Aug 2011 at 6:18 pm #
Oops, I’m sorry. I forgot how accurate and skilled everyone here is and how skilled you are assuming everyone to your left and right will be — and how protected your flanks are — and how secure and effective your air power will be as well as being “on demand” in a moments notice — and how full and secure your supply lines are — and how resolute every member fighting will be — and how every piece of the kill zone will function perfectly — and how you will score 200% kills for every round fired — and how that undead tide will advance only as fast as you can dispatch them reload and repeat — and that they will be finished before you tire, equipment fails, or you need to eat or crap yourself. What happens when you can’t mine raw materials to feed that hungry war machine, parts for your planes and tanks, farmers stop farming? Eventually all those civilian contractors won’t have civilians to make their mre’s, miniguns, tank shells, and jdams.
And I’m not saying the m2 and 240 aren’t fine weapons, but seriously, 200%+ kill ratio? Well, you my friend ARE the man.
McLuvin on 21 Aug 2011 at 6:47 pm #
I think Reaver’s link was an accurate depiction of Viking’s last stand.
I’m with Doc. Too many variables have to be perfect for a scenario like that to play out right. Most of the time it ends in defeat.
Docwade on 21 Aug 2011 at 6:50 pm #
Also, if your first two lines are likely to have to displace, why leave them out there? You want to risk even the possibility of a forward soldier, possibly just grazed by a fragment of bone during your air strike, well within danger close distance? Tsk tsk, Angry, you will be missed.
Angryvikingman on 21 Aug 2011 at 7:03 pm #
Well, I’m not a rocket scientist or anything, but I’m pretty sure that a .50 cal bullet will go through more than one decaying zombie when its 100 feet away. I never said that every round would be a head shot, but I did say that given the wound cavity that every round from an M2 would kill at least one zombie given that they are literally lined up in a row going down a 5 foot wide corridor. Even chest shots would destroy a zombie, and at the VERY least, render it combat ineffective.
Also, given that people behind barricades will be able at times to almost literally put the muzzle to the head of the enemy, then even a noob with a 50 IQ could grasp the concept and be effective. Hell, Forrest Gump was a fine soldier.
Given that there will be no retreat, I doubt that many if any soldiers will just give up.
As far as air support, well, it really only needs to come one good time as far as attacking goes. If I knew I was going to try and hold out against about 8 million zombies, then I would have brought in trucks of ammo, food, and other supplies prior to the engagement.
Personally, I wouldn’t even attempt a hold out over a bridge, I would just blow the whole fucking thing and be done with it. I was just outlining the best plan for a bridge defense that I could think of in the 10 minutes it took to write that. Yeah, maybe with days, or hours of planning then I could come up with something better, but you have to admit that in 10 minutes thats a stellar plan.
And as far as the 240B goes, well, I’ve seen a 22lr go through a person before at the range of less than 10 feet, so I know FOR A FACT that a .308 FMJ can chew through more than one zombie. So given the circumstances that I outlined, yeah, more than one hit per bullet is pretty likely. Hell, if you like, then I can have the weapons at the end of the kill zone teired so that 240Bs are laying, M2s are kneeling, and mini guns are standing and all are firing at once.
Jeeze, sit there and poke holes from your Ivory tower thats made of glass much?
Docwade on 21 Aug 2011 at 7:26 pm #
I like glass- ivory, it’s in vogue right now.
You’re still assuming that dead, a bit on the dry side flesh is still as vulnerable to cavitation injury as it’s living counterpart. Not just you, but a lot of posters are fitting their situation to their hypothesis — not their hypothesis to the situation. One says, “they still need to breath” so all chest hits count, another says, “still need a circulatory system to support brain function” so all hits count. Keep it simple. I remember reading on this site that the zombies were of the Max Brooks type. Slow, cluster by a moan that calls other zombies for miles, dead: no need of lungs or blood. Brain is altered and what remains isn’t susceptible to concussive damage. Direct brain damage and spinal cord hits count. Hell, if youre going to just make up youre own brand of z, maybe they are only vulnerable to hollow points filled with powdered deer penis.
McLuvin on 21 Aug 2011 at 7:58 pm #
They called me crazy for collecting deer penis! Who’s laughing now?
Docwade on 21 Aug 2011 at 8:12 pm #
It is surprisingly difficult to work that into a conversation!
McLuvin on 21 Aug 2011 at 8:21 pm #
Not if you have pefected the creepy smile!
Reaver on 21 Aug 2011 at 8:39 pm #
since zombies are invariably stupid in fiction, why not dig a big concrete walled pit with a bridge running across it that has a gap in the middle? the press of zombies behind would keep pushing the ones in front over the edge into a pit they can’t get out of.
McLuvin on 21 Aug 2011 at 8:44 pm #
The pit would work ok on a small to medium scale. Large scale with hundreds of thousands and the pit fills up.
Angryvikingman on 21 Aug 2011 at 9:03 pm #
I have yet to see a response that explains what McLuvin or DocWade would do in this situation. Or do you think that hiding and yelling at the zombies on how bad a job their doing will work?
“Oh zombies, your gnashing teeth and unending numbers are horrible and it’ll never work.”
I’m sure they’d just turn around and go home.
Docwade on 21 Aug 2011 at 9:10 pm #
Wait for it…
Angryvikingman on 21 Aug 2011 at 9:18 pm #
Lol, just trying to illicit a response. Guess it worked. Oh and I didn’t have the ability of retrospect on what other people wrote. Like I said, I wrote that and did the crappy drawing in 10 minutes.
Docwade on 21 Aug 2011 at 10:32 pm #
Ok, here we go. The basic premise is that you are already surrounded whether you first realize it or not. There is no safe zone. No matter how well thought out the plan, there will be at least one element that you will rely on an outside source for. That item will be critical: food, water, power, fuel, ammo, transport, maintenance parts, building materials, etc. With that in mind:
The situation is really talking about how to efficiently process an undead body. We are going to need around six days and probably four hundred people minimum with a wide array of skill sets. The location could be one of the larger cattle stockades. Setup time and transport is critical, so defense of the area will require all those fantabulous firearms. Transport in 5 or 6 scrap yard car shredders. Adjust the cattle pen fences more like a fish trap leading up to the shredders. One shredder per fishtrap. The pens will have to be reinforced as time allows. I really like the new firebase quick walls the military is using these days. And gates that can be remotely controlled to shutdown a single pen for maintenance. The pens will be arranged like a wagon wheel with the shredders as the hub. Processing the remains will require something out of the ordinary. Pits fill up, rivers clog up, and fires are unpredictable. An induction blast furnace would be nice though impractical. Looks like we are going to need to either burn the remains or put them in a river. You can control the rate the zombies enter the shredder with a series of hydraulic locks. Heck once they are in the pens, you can use the salvage yard claw to chuck them into the shredders
Reaver on 21 Aug 2011 at 10:32 pm #
well, you could have a series of consecutive pits with a long bridge, and to prevent the pits form overflowing, when they fill to a certain height, have a metal trapdoor that everyone pulls on to close the gap and then retreat past the next gap over the next pit. then, just build roofs over the zombie tombs and pour acid or something on them to make them dissolve faster.
Angryvikingman on 21 Aug 2011 at 10:46 pm #
Lye works great, just not as fast as acid.
@Docwade
I was referring to the “Battle of Yonkers” scenario in World War Z. Someone said it was a bridge defense, so thats what I based my plan on. IF I had 6 days and 400 people and the logistics to make what I wanted to happen happen, well hell, I can come up with a WAAAAY better plan than the one I posted.
Like I said, generally, I would just cut off the bridge at one or both ends and be done with it. I just wrote that as a “What if I had to” type thing based on the WWZ premise.
Docwade on 21 Aug 2011 at 11:01 pm #
But even limiting it to the battle of Yonkers scenario, you are still surrounded. Even if you eventually destroy the bride. The basic idea holds though. Drag a car shredder onto the bridge. Ramp them up to the shredder mouth. Let the processed dead fall out of the shredder and off the bridge.
Docwade on 21 Aug 2011 at 11:17 pm #
This is of course only small scale with refernce to the bridge. I had to refresh my mind: Yonkers wasn’t a bridge fight. It was a choke point. The military dug tank trenches and fox holes and sand bag walls. The main point of the event was the number of undead — which was several million. They talked about a carpet of undead stretching over Manhatten.
“Elements of the United States Army were deployed along the Saw Mill River Parkway in North Yonkers. While the parkway served as a natural choke point (as well as the only intelligent tactic that military leadership employed, as described by a surviving vet), it made no difference in the final result. Utilizing antiquated tactics dating back to the Cold War, positions were prepared in such ways as digging tank emplacements, building barriers out of sandbags, and in foxholes. The zombie horde from the city was lured into the choke point by the handful of refugees still fleeing towards the army’s position, and due to the chain swarm effect, gradually the entire New York City infestation, numbering in the millions, was headed towards Yonkers.
When “Zack” first began to trickle down the freeway, the opening salvos were fired – two MLRS rocket barrages which did destroy a significant percentage of the first wave. As the undead became more tightly packed, the MLRS lost effectiveness, with the thick swarms of zombies reducing the possibility of a head wound. The second barrage came from M109 Paladin artillery stationed on a hill to the rear of the infantry. They fired fragmentation shells which had even less of an effect than the MLRS barrages. The artillery strikes depended on the “balloon effect,” which by proximity to an explosion would cause the liquid in the victim’s body to burst. This did not occur, however, because of the zombie’s coagulated blood. Therefore, SNT (Sudden Nerve Trauma), which “just shuts down vital organs like God flickin’ a light switch,” did not happen either.[1]
After this, the infantry, armor and air support opened fire on the “river of undead”. Firing on the zombies were the full military might of the United States Army: M1 Abrams tanks, M2 Bradleys, Humvees, mortars and several RAH-66 Comanche helicopters. All of these held sustained fire for a time in what was likened to “a meatgrinder, or a wood chipper…”[2] until the anti-personnel ammunition ran out. In fact, little of it had even been provided for the tanks. The armor and helicopters then switched over to Anti-Tank rounds like HEAT or Sabot shells which had little to no effect on the swelling tide of undead.
The infantry were left fighting the undead in close proximity, and there were even zombies locked in the houses behind the front line of infantry that had been freed by the explosions. Other soldiers could see everything, through the weapon mounted cameras of the front-line soldiers (thanks to the Land Warrior system); the hordes closing in, their fellow soldiers falling and being eaten alive and even reports of zombies not dying when being shot in the head (this was however noted to have happened because the rounds grazed their heads; this would be recognized as a common sight only in later battles). F-35 fighter jets launched AGM-154 Joint Standoff Weapon, dropping hundreds of thousands of explosive devices.
The bombing run decimated the oncoming wave and resulted in a few moments of eerie silence as the dazed and confused soldiers recovered from the shock of the nearby explosions. However, soon even more zombies shuffled up the road to take their place. At that point the battle turned into utter chaos, as the soldiers on the ground saw an oncoming wave of millions more zombies emerging from the smoke clouds from the bombs that had taken out the first several thousand. Satellite images from the Land Warrior system still showed a horde of millions of zombies stretching back into Times Square on Manhattan island. In a notable act of desperation, Waino recounts that one helicopter gunship bravely tried to buy time for infantry on the ground to retreat by flying low towards the zombie horde with its rotary blades tipped forward; this sliced through many zombies and slowed their advance for 2 or 3 precious minutes, but then one of the helicopter’s blades hit a wrecked car, causing it to crash and explode.
News crews clambered over one another to get away from the coming onslaught and military personnel sought refuge anywhere they could from the zombies. There was crazy, random shooting from soldiers and armed newsmen in a blind panic. Waino recounts being knocked over by a round he took in the chest (the only use for the body armor that day), only to have some idiot lobb a flashbang grenade right in his face. The Air Force dropped several thermobaric weapons on the zombies and their own troops hoping to neutralize the undead at Yonkers in one sweep (which had the grusome side-effect of ripping lungs out of individuals not destroyed by the initial blast, leaving numerous ghouls wandering around with their lungs hanging out of their mouths). It accomplished its purpose of destroying the majority of zombies from that battle but many more still poured in from Manhattan, overpowering the American forces and proving, to devastating effect, that the war with the undead could not be won with conventional tactics. Within 2 weeks after Yonkers, the eastern United States was abandoned by the United States military in a mass retreat to a new defensive line at the Rocky Mountains”
QAZZY 1-9th on 21 Aug 2011 at 11:26 pm #
In a small situation (up to 75 zombies) leading then into those concrete bowls at skate parks could be effective. They’re not too easy for someone with limited coordination to climb. Lead them in, burn ‘em.
Docwade on 21 Aug 2011 at 11:32 pm #
There you go, big bear 29. No richochets off the head, just a lot of grazing which is not uncommon when your grouping starts to open up as you start to poo yourself. There is mention of decimation of waves, and lots of kills, but when you’re talking millions of targets, well its just a drop in the well.
Angryvikingman on 22 Aug 2011 at 12:18 am #
Thats when you start using the big stuff. Start at the back of the mass and start dropping MOABs. Its destructive radius is 9 city blocks. Yep, 9 city blocks in every direction of the impact. I’m pretty sure dropping 4 at once that are timed to detonate at the same time in a square so that they blast waves overlap by about a block would clear out about half an island there in New York. Thats 144(ish) blocks at one time. Drop that twice and the soldiers wouldn’t even have to get out of their bunks and you’ve cleared an entire island. Cleared it of literally EVERYTHING.
If its anything like the Daisy Cutters in stocking numbers, then there are usually 10+ at each base, so this kind of ordinance drop could be done about 125 times.
McLuvin on 22 Aug 2011 at 12:40 am #
I doubt that MOABs are stocked real heavy. You are also hoping the shockwave travels around buildings and kills zombies in every direction. Explosions don’t tend to do that. The major force of the blast will be blocked by the surrounding buildings. Clearing cities would not be a quick easy task even if you don’t care about the city itself.
Docwade on 22 Aug 2011 at 8:29 am #
The average city block from an engineering stand point is 100,000 sq ft. The blast radius of a Moab is supposed to be 300 meters. 18,700 pounds of H6. It’s a specialty ordnance dropped from a c130 variant and produced in limited numbers. There isn’t a ton verifiable info available on it, but because it is such a specialized weapons system, there won’t be a lot of them. It is also, likely on produced at one facility and shipped to Elgin AFB.
Beth on 23 Aug 2011 at 4:57 pm #
You guys are the greatest!! I can’t believe I get to see flame wars that are polite and well-thought out!!
Angryvikingman on 23 Aug 2011 at 5:22 pm #
Yeah Beth, we try to be civil to each other. All of us know a lot about different things, and we try to share that in a civilized manner, and sometimes it resembles a flame war.
specially equipped guardsman on 24 Aug 2011 at 12:37 am #
I think something most people overlook when thinking about the battle of Yonkers is how far gone the situation was by that point. The out break had been going on for months at that point. New York City had fallen. Think about that for a second, New York City. Gone. how bad does it have to be before the Generals say” screw it, fall back to Yonkers”. Their logistics tail had to be an absolute nightmare, they were probably operating on whatever was left in the National Guards ammo bunkers at FT Dix. They had a lot of heavy weapons because the had not used many up to that point so they had a full basic load, but no resupply. Yonkers was not the 1st battle, it was a last stand.
big bear29 on 25 Aug 2011 at 8:41 pm #
We should have a topic were people describe how they would fight the battle of yonkers . They would have to use U.S. modern military weapons not any make believe weapons ( laser cannons , tesla towers , rocket propelled chainsaws or dogs carrying nuclear satchel charges ) . Also they couldn’t use absurd levels of weapons or units . That would mean no sending in 10 billion b52s loaded with cluster bombs or sending in a million apache helicopters . Also NO NUKES , assume that you are trying to take New York and the surrounding cities pretty much intact , you can destroy some of the cities but not all of them .
Also fighting the undead in yonkers was a bad idea , just look at it on google earth . Theres not that much room to fight unless you level the surrounding woods and neighborhoods . Plus if you really look at it you will notice that there isn’t anywhere you can really cause the enemy to bunch up to maximize kills .
Reaver on 27 Aug 2011 at 12:15 am #
that would be a cool topic. Another would be the best unarmed fighting styles and our own various levels of expertise in them. debating grappling versus striking and the like.
QAZZY 1-9th on 28 Aug 2011 at 5:05 pm #
With unarmed combat, I think you would want to have minimum contact with the zed. A quick leg sweep followed by a ghetto stomp to the head could dispatch the zed.
I don’t think Max Brooks’ scenario in the Battle of Yonkers is quite accurate or credible. Bunching the zeds up would be great to achieve maximum kills per round.
Angryvikingman on 04 Sep 2011 at 1:36 pm #
Well, shot 38th out of 63 people at the Zombie shoot yesterday. Kinda sucked because the people using .45s only had to shoot once in the head and 9mm had to double tap. So it was kinda unfair.
QAZZY on 04 Sep 2011 at 4:00 pm #
There has been no activity on this site whatsoever.
McLuvin on 04 Sep 2011 at 9:44 pm #
At least I’m not the asshole that pointed it out this time.
QAZZY on 05 Sep 2011 at 3:20 am #
It’s a job that must be done.
Angryvikingman on 05 Sep 2011 at 8:35 am #
Sorry guys, been kinda busy lately studying and stuff for exams and whatnot. I’ll try and get something up in the next day or so.
McLuvin on 05 Sep 2011 at 9:05 am #
What kind of competition was this zombie shoot, Viking?
Pistol, rifle, shotgun, all three? Distance? Moving targets? Moving shooter? Any shooting from vehicles? Low light/no light? From the holster or low ready? Limited number of rounds or shoot til your happy?
Angryvikingman on 05 Sep 2011 at 9:53 am #
Pistol only. Distance up to 20 yards. Some stages you are stationary shooting from cover, and some you’re on the move, and even carrying a 4 gal water jug shooting with the strong hand only. Combo of targets and steel. No vehicles. It was outside, so lit by the sun. Holstered from low ready on most stages.
Had some moving targets on tracks that activated after knocking down steel, and some tipper/swaying that activated the same way.
No mag limits. Hell, I went through 3 18 rnd mags and part of another one on one stage. That was my fault though, shot a few extra times so I could make sure I had no failure to neutralize.
Angryvikingman on 05 Sep 2011 at 9:59 am #
Yes, I’m a big ole sum-bitch.
McLuvin on 05 Sep 2011 at 10:53 am #
Link didn’t work, but sounds like fun.
Semper Cogitant on 09 Sep 2011 at 10:33 am #
My battle of Yonkers plan. You have millions of zombies bunched together. Cut of their escape and incinerate them. I see no reason in the situation described in the book to take the area intact. The population of the world is now less than the population of New Your once was, people won’t be wanting to live in big crowded cities. I wouldn’t nuke, but I wouldn’t try to fight a conventional ground battle against what seems to have been 10 million zombies with the few thousand troops available.
Perhaps you could do something like cut off all escape, send in drones with loud speakers and banners and broadcast over every frequency for any living people to retreat high up in the buildings, then drop your bombs in intersections and open spaces until the vast majority of zombies are destroyed, then go through with smaller air to ground and clean out any remaining outdoor zombies (guns and rockets from helos), then land troops on the larger buildings and and clear them from the top down, rescuing any survivors and taking them to quarantine to be sure they are not bitten. Finally you would start clearing smaller buildings, which could take years, and again would not be too concerned with saving property.
It just seems that an infantry battle against an enemy that outnumbers you worse than a thousand to one and can only be killed by a head shot or actual physical destruction is just too hard and too time consuming.
Hmm. Thinking of that battle I came up with a cool visual. Imagine an old M163 Vulcan vehicle caught in the middle of that mass of zeds. lower the gun and slowly rotate the turret through 360 degrees. Unrealistic, of course, because they carried pretty limited ammo and would only put out three rounds per degree of that circle. Still, interesting visual when I first thought of it.
GaurdianAngel on 12 Sep 2011 at 10:22 pm #
ive been watching this movie for a few years now, ever since i finished the book. so glad their going through with it. almost as excited for this as i am for the dark tower series to be made into movies. some of the best books ive ever read.
sparks on 01 Oct 2011 at 9:38 pm #
he rally dodged out on australia. said something about a space station and talked about a mole or something. wtf australia doesn’t even have a space program. i felt like he should not of bothered especially when i heard all of mates and good on hims. that shit pissed me off
McLuvin on 02 Oct 2011 at 2:01 pm #
I’m pretty sure it was the international space station which kinda covers the whole world. Considering the population and cultural importance of Australia, you are probably lucky he remembered you at all.
Reaver on 03 Oct 2011 at 5:03 pm #
he really only mentioned australia as an interview with an australian who was the head of the ISS when the world when to crap, and stayed up there for years to keep all the satellites in orbit and repaired. the cosmic radiation gave him cancer and was killing him.
the god of tacos on 26 Apr 2012 at 5:54 pm #
What about facing an army that has no value of self preservation..no emotion……no moral breaking…..just moving slowly…..to your side….with out hesitation or pause no matter what kind of weapons you throw at these things and also they were once human..what if you see your dear aunt…i would think most people would hesistat to shoot…all these factors cause fear of terror in any army….just think about it….that guy in the book talking about the weapons the might really be as effective against undead as living but from his horrifiyed view point they were not.
the god of tacos on 26 Apr 2012 at 6:05 pm #
My idea of fighting yonkers
Sniper rifles and no semi autos. Have many squads of 10 men, 1 has Lmg if sort, 2 have shot guns, rest carry standard 3 round burst fire assualt rifles, Im against full auto because of panic shooting, your wasting ammo and if they get that close your screwed anyways, The engi core will be laying c4s on tall buildings behind lines so when retreat is called it will be detonated an slow zombies down, Long range support weapons will fire at middle of zombie horde, they will be crunched up and even though fragments might not kill it can cripple. Humviees and bradlys will cover plugs in line that are starting to get over run, when fall back sound they will privide cover for infantry, although they will retreat squad by squad so the line doesnt collapse all at once. Keep doing this idea untill zombies dead or your stuck with your back at wall ( that shouldnt happen i think )
Lez on 20 Nov 2012 at 7:19 am #
Very disappointed thus far with this movie. You would think $150 million and having Max Brooks as a consultant would lead to something a LITTLE CLOSER TO THE BOOK. When I heard this was starring Brad Pitt I was thinking “I could totally see him interviewing people and then having the film flashback to the zombie outbreaks” but they give me this? This movie was supposed to be out last year then went back for 8 weeks of reshoots only to yield this God-forsaken plot?!?